2024/25 Orel Mangala

[Zatara]

FOOTBALL ISN’T PLAYED BY STATS!!!

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[Zatara]

If Zat doesn't rate him then that seals it for me, sign him up .. Wannabe Steve Walsh . If he was 21 he'd be saying he was Pele

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[Zatara]

Anyone heard that Mangala watched a few of our games before joining?

He met his compatriot, Amadou Onana and had a word with him for some advice on the area, squad and fans...

"They love a proper midfielder" were the words of 'Ama'.

He directed him to a host of videos Sean Dyche had recommended.

They showcased a former Goodison Park icon, 'man of steel' and twice winning Everton trophy lifting midfielder.

Orel watched the videos of his games day and night. Imagining the love this player must have felt when wearing the Royal Blue jersey.

Mangala came back to training fully composed and relaxed with fire in his belly...he launched a blistering assault of the mannequins placed around the pitch, unleashing ferocious 5 and 10 yard passes into their fake feet.

"What are you doing Orel" Dyche bellowed.

Orel Mangala explained how he had followed Onana's instructions and watched the recommended videos...

"Not when he was at Everton Orel" sighed Dyche...

Vinny Samways: the "foreign scum" who won the hearts of Las Palmas fans

Vinny Samways' career is something of an oddity. He remains far more renowned in Spain than England, revered today as one of Las Palmas’ greatest players

thesefootballtimes.co

 

[cronullasharks]

Anyone heard that Mangala watched a few of our games before joining?

He met his compatriot, Amadou Onana and had a word with him for some advice on the area, squad and fans...

"They love a proper midfielder" were the words of 'Ama'.

He directed him to a host of videos Sean Dyche had recommended to him.

They showcased a former Goodison Park icon, 'man of steel' and twice winning Everton trophy lifting midfielder.

Orel watched the videos day and night of his games in the Royal Blue shirt.

He came back to training fully composed and launched a blistering assault of the mannequins placed around the pitch, unleashing ferocious 5 and 10 yard passes into their fake feet.

"What are you doing Orel" Dyche bellowed.

Orel Mangala explained how he had followed Onana's instructions and watched the recommended videos...

"Not when he was at Everton Orel" sighed Dyche...

Vinny Samways: the "foreign scum" who won the hearts of Las Palmas fans

Vinny Samways' career is something of an oddity. He remains far more renowned in Spain than England, revered today as one of Las Palmas’ greatest players

thesefootballtimes.co

Aye, real good stuff this.

 

[Bluebonic]

I've said several times the same, that he sits and is composed with his short passes.

Thats all ive seen from him, nothing more that stands out. Nothing to make up for his obvious weaknesses.

What do you think happens once a player gets past him, he's out of the game? Because for me he wont be able to get back if the system is anything other than deep.

So, playing him we will be constrained as we will have to setup in a way that allows him to sit deep and be protected.

I'm seeing multiple posters say they want to play on the front foot & also that they want to sign Mangala.

That makes no sense.

You can’t be that binary though Zat. He is far from being our weakest player, and even if we did go ‘front foot’ we wouldn’t / couldn’t do it every single game. For 15/20 mill he would be an excellent squad member to bring in for those games where we would choose to play deeper. I do see your point, and he does have glaring weaknesses, but I would counter that by saying his strengths are in very short supply in our squad at the moment (and that shortage will be magnified if all those on end of contract do in fact leave). For me he seems a sensible purchase provided the price and wages are reasonable.

 

[Zatara]

You can’t be that binary though Zat. He is far from being our weakest player, and even if we did go ‘front foot’ we wouldn’t / couldn’t do it every single game. For 15/20 mill he would be an excellent squad member to bring in for those games where we would choose to play deeper. I do see your point, and he does have glaring weaknesses, but I would counter that by saying his strengths are in very short supply in our squad at the moment (and that shortage will be magnified if all those on end of contract do in fact leave). For me he seems a sensible purchase provided the price and wages are reasonable.

I think this is a very fair appraisal.

I've given him praise for the composure and short passing. Of course, these are clear strengths in comparison to e.g Doucoure and this gives a different balance to the team.

However, for me I want to see an Everton side with bite in the midfield as well as composed passing. I was one of the only handful of posters who wanted Adam Wharton signed a while before he went to Palace.

The negative comments at the time about Wharton were that he "wasnt mobile" but he was far more mobile than Mangala.

Currently were seeing an anti-Dyche sentiment which makes me double down on Mangala -- as you and @Eggs seemingly concur for example that he would be a liability in a non-deep sitting role.

I find it obtuse that posters want us to play front foot football and also want to sign a player with this profile. For some to post relentlessly about "how far weve fallen" and yet praise Mangala for such limited football is bewildering to me.

I miss the Joe Parkinsons, Gary Speeds, Mikel Artetas who could do this role standing on their head...while also doing a heck of a lot more.

Thats the player we need to use a budget towards.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I think this is a very fair appraisal.

I've given him praise for the composure and short passing. Of course, these are clear strengths in comparison to e.g Doucoure and this gives a different balance to the team.

However, for me I want to see an Everton side with bite in the midfield as well as composed passing. I was one of the only handful of posters who wanted Adam Wharton signed a while before he went to Palace.

The negative comments at the time about Wharton were that he "wasnt mobile" but he was far more mobile than Mangala.

Currently were seeing an anti-Dyche sentiment which makes me double down on Mangala -- as you and @Eggs seemingly concur for example that he would be a liability in a non-deep sitting role.

I find it obtuse that posters want us to play front foot football and also want to sign a player with this profile. For some to post relentlessly about "how far weve fallen" and yet praise Mangala for such limited football is bewildering to me.

I miss the Joe Parkinsons, Gary Speeds, Mikel Artetas who could do this role standing on their head...while also doing a heck of a lot more.

Thats the player we need to use a budget towards.

You think Joe Parkinson could play front foot football? How old are you? He was every bit as slow as Mangala. We would all love to sign a Gary Speed or Arteta but they're not available. Mangala is doing a decent job and is currently one of our better players. If we can't someone better for similar money then we should, if we can't then he would be a decent addition for the right price.

 

[Zatara]

You think Joe Parkinson could play front foot football? How old are you? He was every bit as slow as Mangala. We would all love to sign a Gary Speed or Arteta but they're not available. Mangala is doing a decent job and is currently one of our better players. If we can't someone better for similar money then we should, if we can't then he would be a decent addition for the right price.

There is no chance Parkinson was "as slow as Mangala", none. For one very simple reason, he used to charge around the midfield in a pair harrying opposition players no matter who they were. That man had so much desire that to compare him to a slut is disprespectful.

The saving grace with Mangala is that Lyon need to sell players and he wants to be back in the premier league.

They wont be able to get a profit on PSR for below £20mil so hopefully its a non-starter.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

There is no chance Parkinson was "as slow as Mangala", none. For one very simple reason, he used to charge around the midfield in a pair harrying opposition players no matter who they were. That man had so much desire that to compare him to a slut is disprespectful.

The saving grace with Mangala is that Lyon need to sell players and he wants to be back in the premier league.

They wont be able to get a profit on PSR for below £20mil so hopefully its a non-starter.

Ok, keep doubling down.

 

[Bluebonic]

I think this is a very fair appraisal.

I've given him praise for the composure and short passing. Of course, these are clear strengths in comparison to e.g Doucoure and this gives a different balance to the team.

However, for me I want to see an Everton side with bite in the midfield as well as composed passing. I was one of the only handful of posters who wanted Adam Wharton signed a while before he went to Palace.

The negative comments at the time about Wharton were that he "wasnt mobile" but he was far more mobile than Mangala.

Currently were seeing an anti-Dyche sentiment which makes me double down on Mangala -- as you and @Eggs seemingly concur for example that he would be a liability in a non-deep sitting role.

I find it obtuse that posters want us to play front foot football and also want to sign a player with this profile. For some to post relentlessly about "how far weve fallen" and yet praise Mangala for such limited football is bewildering to me.

I miss the Joe Parkinsons, Gary Speeds, Mikel Artetas who could do this role standing on their head...while also doing a heck of a lot more.

Thats the player we need to use a budget towards.

I agree 100%, but until our brave backroom team can identify one and coax them to join us, I don't think signing Mangala would be a catastrophe, I also agree that a forward thinking high pressing side would be the ideal. But I reckon we are at least three windows away from having any chance of that, so Orel isnt the worst we could make. For what its worth, I would donate a kidney for the likes of a prime Joe Parkinson

 

[Nymzee]

I think he's okay, but not worth the fee Lyon will ask for.

 

[billypatrick]

I've said several times the same, that he sits and is composed with his short passes.

Thats all ive seen from him, nothing more that stands out. Nothing to make up for his obvious weaknesses.

What do you think happens once a player gets past him, he's out of the game? Because for me he wont be able to get back if the system is anything other than deep.

So, playing him we will be constrained as we will have to setup in a way that allows him to sit deep and be protected.

I'm seeing multiple posters say they want to play on the front foot & also that they want to sign Mangala.

That makes no sense.

He’s not the only midfielder we have though. The three we are playing at the moment all make different contributions. In combination they tend not to get run past and I don’t think we have been sitting especially deep since Branthwaite came back, we play further up the field when he plays.

 

[Zatara]

I agree 100%, but until our brave backroom team can identify one and coax them to join us, I don't think signing Mangala would be a catastrophe, I also agree that a forward thinking high pressing side would be the ideal. But I reckon we are at least three windows away from having any chance of that, so Orel isnt the worst we could make. For what its worth, I would donate a kidney for the likes of a prime Joe Parkinson

I'm not fussed what the style of play is (it could be Dycheball every game) as long as its effective and progresses us up the league each season.

Speaking hypothetically, if Dyche was retained and we continued with the midfield 3 then we'd have:

Garner, Armstrong & Iroegbunam contracted.

Gana & Doucoure out of contract (both may yet receive one year extentions)

Mangala whose loan will expire.

I think it would be interesting to see how the first 3 names can blend into the midfield before thinking of any permanent deal for Mangala.

Secondly i'd assess how the out of contract players receiving one year extensions may allow us to bring in one signing rather than Mangala + not replacing the two.

He’s not the only midfielder we have though. The three we are playing at the moment all make different contributions. In combination they tend not to get run past and I don’t think we have been sitting especially deep since Branthwaite came back, we play further up the field when he plays.

I'd say Arsenal and Chelsea games we were under siege for fair amounts of time. City wasnt quite as worrisome even though, ironically they had the better chances and actually scored.

As above, we have 6 players on the books with one of them on loan and two out of contract. Theres alot to be assessed before talking about signing a loan player.

The current setup makes Mangala look just as good as Keane used to. Once you remove the key benefit (composed passing) and look at everything else, theres not much at all there.

 

[Rita_Poon]

There is no chance Parkinson was "as slow as Mangala", none. For one very simple reason, he used to charge around the midfield in a pair harrying opposition players no matter who they were. That man had so much desire that to compare him to a slut is disprespectful.

The saving grace with Mangala is that Lyon need to sell players and he wants to be back in the premier league.

They wont be able to get a profit on PSR for below £20mil so hopefully its a non-starter.

Erm, what?

 

[Zatara]

There is no chance Parkinson was "as slow as Mangala", none. For one very simple reason, he used to charge around the midfield in a pair harrying opposition players no matter who they were. That man had so much desire that to compare him to a slut is disprespectful.

The saving grace with Mangala is that Lyon need to sell players and he wants to be back in the premier league.

They wont be able to get a profit on PSR for below £20mil so hopefully its a non-starter.

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