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I see Jonathan Wilson has published an article in the Guardian asking if it matters if Kane stays. I don't disagree with too much of his take, but it's fascinating that there was none of this defence of the "one-club player" who "doesn't need to win trophies to experience glory" when we had Wayne Rooney - or any other half-decent player that caught the eye of "the big clubs".

It may very well be that Kane is a nice fella happy enough where he is. I wouldn't criticise him for that. I mean, it's not like he's earning peanuts or playing in the second division. But the soft-soaping of any refusal to move to Bayern should be scrunitised the next time we have a talent that "needs to move on to further his career". Either Wilson has an in with Kane's PR people, or he's employing double-standards right now compared to his bi-annual treatise on "what is Everton for?" Or perhaps it's just that it's Bayern - a true blue bona fide megaclub - rather than one of the often artificially inflated Premier League elite that's the destination... Maybe a horizon-widening move abroad damages the domestic product...

For what it's worth - as an Irishman living in Deutschland - I happen to think a Kane move to Bayern has great potential to be advantageous to England's chances of winning Euro 2024 next summer in Germany. It strikes me as superb preparation for that challenge, getting him acclimatised, perhaps getting some of the locals onside, earning local knowledge... But as Jonathan Wilson says, perhaps winning trophies doesn't really matter...
 
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BlueStevie35 said:
Is breaking Shearer’s league record that important to Harry? He’s got a 95% shot at winning at least 1 trophy with Bayern he’s foolish for turning down that chance
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I am not a professional footballer. But. There are players from Birmingham, Swansea, Wigan (you get the point) that have been more "successful" than Harry Kane. Jimmy Greaves is/was a legend of a goal scorer. I have not got a clue what trophies he won.
 
BlueStevie35 said:
Is breaking Shearer’s league record that important to Harry? He’s got a 95% shot at winning at least 1 trophy with Bayern he’s foolish for turning down that chance
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Jonathan Wilson, in the Guardian, seems to think it is important - whether Kane does or doesn't is not mentioned. Intriguingly, Wilson appears to simultaneously contend that breaking Shearer's record is glorious but venturing abroad and winning the Bundesliga and Champions League seemingly isn't. I mean, whatever Harry Kane does his career can hardly be written off as a failure. Going is fine. As is staying. But the appeal for the plebs to see any decision to stay as potentially glorious whilst dismissing winning the German title as something that Thomas Müller has done 12 times already and is therefore somewhat pointless is weirdly telling. In the absence of this summer's annual "What Is Everton For?" article, it appears that Jonathan, doyen of exotic but po-faced continental tactical tomofoolery, has filled in with "What Is the Bundesliga For?" At this rate, let's just ensure Harry moves to Manchester City and have done with it.
 
roydo said:
I am not a professional footballer. But. There are players from Birmingham, Swansea, Wigan (you get the point) that have been more "successful" than Harry Kane. Jimmy Greaves is/was a legend of a goal scorer. I have not got a clue what trophies he won.
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Well, the World Cup, for one - not that he'd recognise it.

But he also won the FA Cup and Cup Winners' Cup.

I don't think a player has to win medals to be a great player - but inevitably a player will find it held against him in post-career rankings with other great players. Call it a tie-breaker. Simplistic, but largely true.
 
Drico said:
Well, the World Cup, for one - not that he'd recognise it.

But he also won the FA Cup and Cup Winners' Cup.

I don't think a player has to win medals to be a great player - but inevitably a player will find it held against him in post-career rankings with other great players. Call it a tie-breaker. Simplistic, but largely true.
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True. It isnt an either/or is it? It is down to the player. Does he value a goal scoring record more than a few trophies in Germany. His call.
 

roydo said:
True. It isnt an either/or is it? It is down to the player. Does he value a goal scoring record more than a few trophies in Germany. His call.
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Exactly.

And whatever he does, he has no guarantee of breaking that scoring record or winning any trophies in Germany or Europe.

It's like last year. Elements of the public and media wanted to tell us that Messi "needed a World Cup" to be considered the greatest of all time. Not in my book, he didn't. He was already one of the all-time greats. Did his winning it improve his standing in my eyes? Nope. Nobody has played to the level he has for as long as he has. Basically, I don't think there's ever been a player who has been world-class for as long as he has been. By the same token, nobody ever reached the heights at a World Cup that his compatriot Maradona did. All in my view, of course. So who was the greatest? Depends on your criteria. Greatness is usually about achievements. I've listed those of the two Argentines. Then it's make up your mind time. The great thing is that this is largely a subjective judgement, a bit of fun. Just take into account the different environments these players played in to underscore that point. One played in a brutal era where the tackle from behind was mandatory, let alone permitted, where the offside rule compressed the game into tight spaces that allowed for man-to-man marking by ruthlessly brilliant brutes like The Butcher of Bilbao, Claudio Gentile, and Antonio Camacho, and where medical science has 20 years less insight. A different time. They played under different rules then. A different game.

Kane is, arguably, the best English footballer since Wayne Rooney - and certainly the best striker. If he values trophies and medals as a currency of success, he will likely leave Spurs. I would argue that great players owe it to themselves to give themselves the best chance of winning titles as they can. But then Alan Shearer moved to Newcastle United when Manchester United would, professionally, have seemed the better move. Yet, nobody doubts Shearer was a legendary player (though he does have that Premier League title to point to in friendly debates with Gary Lineker on who was the greater great player...).

Kane can't lose whatever he does (unless he fails to break that scoring record if he stays - or fails to win the Bundesliga if he leaves). By defintion, that makes him a winner.
 
Am I missing something?
How does one more season affect Kane's record chances?
Shearer had 260 Premier League goals, and another 23 that get discounted because of the rebranding of the top flight.
Kane has 213.
He's not scoring 47 league goals in a season.
I'm honestly confused.
 
Huyton Layne said:
Am I missing something?
How does one more season affect Kane's record chances?
Shearer had 260 Premier League goals, and another 23 that get discounted because of the rebranding of the top flight.
Kane has 213.
He's not scoring 47 league goals in a season.
I'm honestly confused.
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Cos he can sign for who he wants next summer. Maybe even Spurs.
 

Konyasor terminate Schneiderlin's contract​

Turkish club Konyasor have agreed to terminate Morgan Schneiderlin’s contract, just nine days after the former France international joined the club.

EFC legend.
 
MikeH72 said:
What’s going on at Sheffield United? Why are they having a fire sale and buying no one?
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There is a tightening of the belt at Sheff Utd but on top of that, they have 20 players out of contract next summer. The one's they are selling are those that have value and are refusing to sign a new contract. They have some serious issues with how the club is managing contracts
 

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Drico said:
Jonathan Wilson, in the Guardian, seems to think it is important - whether Kane does or doesn't is not mentioned. Intriguingly, Wilson appears to simultaneously contend that breaking Shearer's record is glorious but venturing abroad and winning the Bundesliga and Champions League seemingly isn't. I mean, whatever Harry Kane does his career can hardly be written off as a failure. Going is fine. As is staying. But the appeal for the plebs to see any decision to stay as potentially glorious whilst dismissing winning the German title as something that Thomas Müller has done 12 times already and is therefore somewhat pointless is weirdly telling. In the absence of this summer's annual "What Is Everton For?" article, it appears that Jonathan, doyen of exotic but po-faced continental tactical tomofoolery, has filled in with "What Is the Bundesliga For?" At this rate, let's just ensure Harry moves to Manchester City and have done with it.
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What the people who say "record over trophies" completely miss is that....he's 47 goals behind Shearer. Means he'll have to stay 2 more seasons in the league to top it.

Then if you look at the top 10 record premier league goalscorers. Every single one has won a trophy. Kane will be the odd one out.

If Haaland stays at City for 8 years and keeps a 30 goal ratio, he's beat him.

if that happened, Kane would be seen as a great goalscorer. Not a great player IMO.
 
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