kimonthemac_efc
Player Valuation: £950k
Don’t think we need a new manager…
Don’t think we need a new manager…
N0L1M1TK
Player Valuation: £6m
What’s mental is fans swooning at the “we don’t need a new manager” because he’s won 4/5. Which if we look at is a very good return.
What isn’t a very good return is not winning in 14/15 games, for which if there wasn’t an AWOL owner he’d have been long sacked.
He’s earned the right to have a go next season, but nothing more.
No need to extend his contract or anything yet, let’s see where he’s at come Christmas.
kimonthemac_efc
Player Valuation: £950k
Agree, but those stats show he is way better than what people believe. We play amazing defensive football and if we had better attackers and didn’t have ashley young playing as a winger we would have at least 10 goals extra
That could be said of 90% of managers in the game.
N0L1M1TK
Player Valuation: £6m
Don’t think 90% of managers get the opportunity to be kept on as the manager after going winless for 4 months.
I’d hedge a bet that apart from the anomaly of our situation, if any other manager in the league went on a run like ours, they’d have been sacked.
N0L1M1TK
Player Valuation: £6m
We also need to drop the
“We play amazing defensive football, and this is all on Dyche”
“However we need better players in the final third and this isn’t Dyches fault”
You can’t break it down and give Dyche the successes but claim the failings lay else where.
It’s his job to create a team capable of attacking and defending.
The wide players in Harrison and McNeil are basically employed to cover the full backs first then attack second, this is in large the reason why we’ve been good defensively and not going forward.
He’s done well enough to be given a go next year, which prior to the 4/5 I would have disagreed with.
I certainly wouldn’t let him bring any of his own players in however.
JamesEFC
Player Valuation: £10m
Spot on.
Last thing we want is some yard dogs in on 2/3 year deals when given our track record he could be gone by Christmas.
Lapeno77
Player Valuation: £25m
The other thing to add is he's basically been the de facto spokesman for the club as a whole taking on the responsibility of keeping the fans informed with the off the field stuff as best he can in light of an absentee board and non existent Comms dept.
What is absolutely mental is fans thinking that there is a manager out there who will work under the financial restrictions placed on us, work with a threadbare squad where it is certain that we will lose our best players in this transfer window and next summer as well and at the same time pick up somewhere between 44 and fifty points in a season while dealing with fall out from two separate points deductions.
Sean Dyche was the first good managerial appointment since David Moyes came to Everton.
He was the right man at the right time, he still is in my opinion.
Dyche himself that this season he had no choice but to find a way to win games and he did so.
Anybody watching Everton will know we don't have creative players in the squad , we were always going to struggle to create and score goals.
The sensible decision that Dyche made is that if we can't score goals but we don't concede either then we can pick up points and he has been proven to be correct.
I was only on about getting a chance of the following season.
That is what most managers strive for. There is nothing else to aim for.
There are no safe jobs for most. Look at Ranieri for example. Wins the league you would think he has a job for life, sacked the following season.
As for the no wins in 14 it's fine lines in the game. We aren't playing any better or any worse. It's just that some of these chances are going in now.
And people keep banging on about if it wasn't for the owner issues or FFP he'd have been gone by now, well if it wasn't for them issues then he would never have been here as Carlo would probably still be here. He only jumped ship as he could see the crapshow unravelling with FFP.
twoblue
Player Valuation: £35m
Really can’t get my head around this mindset. A season is a season and we did well considering.
The fact we did poor in this spell, shows he over achieved the rest of the season
twoblue
Player Valuation: £35m
When Real Madrid call, you are leaving Everton… ffp or no ffp. In hindsight, reckon he saw us as a short term move with high pay until the next job came around. Nothing about his signing suggested long term
Yes fair enough but Real didn't come calling. Carlo found out they were looking for a new manager during a conversation over something else and put his hat in the ring. He'd have left us regardless as there is no way he is having this situation on his CV. Only desperate out of work managers will take the chance on us at the moment and we've probably got the best one of them now.
Delargeinho
Player Valuation: £8m
It's both that need to be considered with the solid output overall this season. You cannot judge a manager fairly leaving out either thing. Praise for defence, criticize to a certain amount for not solving our 5+ seasons of ongoing low-scoring problems, consider the impact of insecurity/deductions etc...
All in all, he deserves games into the new season, but not a contract extension now. But we shouldn't exaggerate our expectations yet not knowing how the team will look like with top half-euros ambitions.
wandyr79
Player Valuation: £25m
My view is based on looking at the games themselves and not the basic stats of win and lose, that is definitely a factor but sometimes it is not actually right to sack a manager despite the results Kendall, Ferguson, and more recently Arteta. are examples of this. There were not an amazing amount of games where you could say, we didn't deserve anything, on general play. They were generally nip and tuck and pretty even. Most games where we drew or lost there were chances squandered, a big enough percentage that you could describe as sitters. If there was a bit more composure, a bit more confidence in front of goal then we could easily be looking at over 50 points (without deductions). This is not including the games before this run, right at the start of the season.
It was depressing but looking back there was always the possibility of going on a bit of a run, because a couple of games aside we were in games. There was a defensive element but we were creating enough chances to win games, but the quality of finishing was awful, this is not down to bad tactics. I am sure he was doing everything possible to increase confidence in front of goal but it obviously took a long time and maybe the Chelsea game was the backwards step he needed to really drill it home.
I am of the stance that I am currently content with Dyche, because he has the right personality for the job, as it stands. There is no doubt that he has earned another crack next season, before we seriously consider a new approach/direction, whether we are in a more stable position or not.
