Our next manager?

[Lobworm]

We may find out next season, you could also say the points deduction got the fans on board a bit more than they were. And just floating around 13th, I think the fans would have checked out months ago, be the football was so bad and goodison was like a morgue at times.

Next season he’s likely to have an owner, new board and DOF/sporting team keeping a close eye on him, adding to the pressure

Pure KOPCHAT.

So we would have 'checked out' would we? How utterly ignorant of the Evertonian mindset some of you lot are!

99% of the posters here would have killed to be 'just floating around 13th' after the last 2 seasons. Also, the fans at Everton have always been on board. Whether it was winning the league in '85 then, losing our best ever chances of being European Champions, being nigh on relegated at half time in '94, losing our best player for several generations a decade later, or getting shafted for 8 points this year. Floating round 13th doesn't even come close to seeing us 'checked out'.

Just saying, like.

 

[nsno-chris]

Pure KOPCHAT.

So we would have 'checked out' would we? How utterly ignorant of the Evertonian mindset some of you lot are!

99% of the posters here would have killed to be 'just floating around 13th' after the last 2 seasons. Also, the fans at Everton have always been on board. Whether it was winning the league in '85 then, losing our best ever chances of being European Champions, being nigh on relegated at half time in '94, losing our best player for several generations a decade later, or getting shafted for 8 points this year. Floating round 13th doesn't even come close to seeing us 'checked out'.

Just saying, like.

Pure Kopchat is making a post to defend a 4 month winless run by coming up with excuses for every game in that period

Just saying, like

 

[Duncan’s Pigeon Loft]

Who’s pellagreno materazzo? Would he be Phil Mathews in English? I’m going for him just for his name

 

[Duncan’s Pigeon Loft]

Pure Kopchat is making a post to defend a 4 month winless run by coming up with excuses for every game in that period

Just saying, like

There’s already a thread about not winning in 4 months. Apparently we won 3 in that period and was unlucky in the others but ok that’s football

 

[Lobworm]

Pure Kopchat is making a post to defend a 4 month winless run by coming up with excuses for every game in that period

Just saying, like

Remember last season when you said "Dyche will probably get us into Europe in 2024 and win the FA Cup"?
No?
Me neither.
Because I just made it up right now.
I could ask who was " coming up with excuses for every game in that period" but we both know you couldn't answer that, because you made it up too. But it's fine. We all say things we can't really prove or justify. It's the beauty of the internet.
Just to reiterate, it was a rubbish run, he got loads wrong, but has done ok given his job was to keep us up. If we get a proper owner and proper backing, he'll probably be history.

Have a good night.

 

[nsno-chris]

Remember last season when you said "Dyche will probably get us into Europe in 2024 and win the FA Cup"?
No?
Me neither.
Because I just made it up right now.
I could ask who was " coming up with excuses for every game in that period" but we both know you couldn't answer that, because you made it up too. But it's fine. We all say things we can't really prove or justify. It's the beauty of the internet.
Just to reiterate, it was a rubbish run, he got loads wrong, but has done ok given his job was to keep us up. If we get a proper owner and proper backing, he'll probably be history.

Have a good night.

You’re coping hard mate

 

[blueboy72]

Pure KOPCHAT.

So we would have 'checked out' would we? How utterly ignorant of the Evertonian mindset some of you lot are!

99% of the posters here would have killed to be 'just floating around 13th' after the last 2 seasons. Also, the fans at Everton have always been on board. Whether it was winning the league in '85 then, losing our best ever chances of being European Champions, being nigh on relegated at half time in '94, losing our best player for several generations a decade later, or getting shafted for 8 points this year. Floating round 13th doesn't even come close to seeing us 'checked out'.

Just saying, like.

You can be happy with 13th but still hate the football and the atmosphere has been terrible for the majority of games, what do you expect when the opposition have more of the ball and when we get it, we boot it long.

 

[Blue Smoke]

He has ticked some boxes which has made us compact, hard working and organised but completely devoid of attacking threat. He keeps the full backs deep and chooses wingers who will get back to defend over wingers who have any pace and trickery.
Happily punts endless balls up to the lone striker with attacking wide players already too deep to get close to him and support.
Prefers a hard working attacking centre mid over a player who can receive a ball and create things.
He might be what we need right now with all thats going on, but make no mistake, he will never take a team into the top half of table.

 

[neil999]

He has ticked some boxes which has made us compact, hard working and organised but completely devoid of attacking threat. He keeps the full backs deep and chooses wingers who will get back to defend over wingers who have any pace and trickery.
Happily punts endless balls up to the lone striker with attacking wide players already too deep to get close to him and support.
Prefers a hard working attacking centre mid over a player who can receive a ball and create things.
He might be what we need right now with all thats going on, but make no mistake, he will never take a team into the top half of table.

Without points deduction we are v close to top 10...

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I’ve seen a few shouts for Moyes which I don’t understand.

He plays pretty much exactly the same way as Dyche but with better quality attacking players at West Ham. I don’t think it would work out much differently if he came here and had to use this current squad.

 

[Simon Buttle]

I’ve seen a few shouts for Moyes which I don’t understand.

He plays pretty much exactly the same way as Dyche but with better quality attacking players at West Ham. I don’t think it would work out much differently if he came here and had to use this current squad.

It's because a certain section of our fanbase are stuck in a timewarp and simply can't move on, sentimental FC.

 

[Magus]

Pure KOPCHAT.

So we would have 'checked out' would we? How utterly ignorant of the Evertonian mindset some of you lot are!

99% of the posters here would have killed to be 'just floating around 13th' after the last 2 seasons. Also, the fans at Everton have always been on board. Whether it was winning the league in '85 then, losing our best ever chances of being European Champions, being nigh on relegated at half time in '94, losing our best player for several generations a decade later, or getting shafted for 8 points this year. Floating round 13th doesn't even come close to seeing us 'checked out'.

Just saying, like.

I think you have gone a bit awry with this - I am 70 and have been following the Blues for around 60 of those years but I wouldn't presume to know how other Evertonians think. I certainly wouldn't recognise a unified mindset, apart from our devotion to the club.

I pick and choose my games nowadays as I have become very disaffected with the performance levels, but I have close friends and family who are season ticket holders who feel similarly disaffected. I can't say whether this amounts to "checking out", but it does mean that they are less invested than they have been in the past and starting to question whether there are better things to spend their time on.

 

[nonstripdzebra]

lll start if no ownership change comes really by the end of the euros Dyche should unequivocally stay. In a sea of turmoil he has made us something with a formula that seems a considered approach for survival when we have limited squad talent. And anything later in the window will be a bit haphazard or hasty in recruitment or training for me to co-sign.

That said I do think if an ownership change does happen soon, there are reasons to examine and change. For starters Id rather a switch in the summer than in season. There was a decent stretch at the change of the year that it looked possible he would get the sack even with the club's financial issues. I dont want another in-season gaffer hire, and the possibility that Dyche will have grounds for firing in 24/25 is at least 50/50. Second I dont want recruitment to factor in his style or taste all that much. Resources of course are slim but we will need to fill some roster spots. I am concerned buying or acquiring with Dyche's preferences in mind. One that in the past is shortsided and frankly likely limits options for players with a little more upside and value opportunities. I just dont think its a strength of his.

Listen he may play out another season with a below average squad and comfortably end up 13th. I also do think though there are some warning signs. First is Burnley. They kept making that bet until they couldnt. Second the strength has been defense, if Jarrad is sold or Gueye doesnt come back or shows a little more age its not inconceivable that calling card deteriorating. Maybe all that stays sound, but another thing with Dyche is the style wears on fans in downturns. Its stagnant in development and in strategy. If it warrants safety we can look the other way but the moment thats gone the costs of such an approach become evident.

All that said the ownership debacle has to be sorted before I think this discussion becomes nuanced. Right now there is no either or.

 

[nonstripdzebra]

I’ve seen a few shouts for Moyes which I don’t understand.

He plays pretty much exactly the same way as Dyche but with better quality attacking players at West Ham. I don’t think it would work out much differently if he came here and had to use this current squad.

I dont disagree and do think nostalgia is playing a part in that. And even with Moyes familiarity and history working dysfunctional clubs a new face with this ownership and constraints would be a risk. But I will say the approach for survival and or tactics could be a relative like for like.

I do think though a distinction removed of heart strings is recruitment. You note the attacking options with the Hammers, Id give him a fair bit of credit for that. Moyes may play similarly on the counter and in the back half but his scouting for a manager I think outpaces many with similar pessimistic tactics.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Moyes only losing 5 nil to Chelsea and we lost 6 nil. Get. Him. Back.