Owen

[ToxtethBlue]

Their goals per game statistics suggest the contrary.

This season?

Louis Saha: 13 starts (15) 7 goals

Michael Owen: 24 starts (7) 10 goals

Are those stats right?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I really have a problem understanding how anyone can say Owen is superior to Saha. Owen's trick is to hand around the goal, and sneak in and score (every 3 games). Saha moves around, he playes midfield, he assists and he scores. The fact is, if we keep Saha relatively fit, we have no need for Owen.

We need to move on from the likes of Owen. We've got excellent back-up in Vaughan and Saha, so it's pretty pointless bringing in more. Let's put that £50k a week to better use.

Given their injury record - I'm not so sure. Look at this season for an example...

Am also not convinced on Vaughans ability - certainly wouldn't say he would class as 'excellent back-up'.

How many goals has the lad scored? 1 in the past two seasons?

We could do with another striker - but other areas are more urgent. Considering we don't have much money, Owen would be a decent stop gap.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Given their injury record - I'm not so sure. Look at this season for an example...

Am also not convinced on Vaughans ability - certainly wouldn't say he would class as 'excellent back-up'.

How many goals has the lad scored? 1 in the past two seasons?

We could do with another striker - but other areas are more urgent. Considering we don't have much money, Owen would be a decent stop gap.

Exactly, other areas are more important. And when we were without a striker recently, we fared really well. At a push, Cahill and big Fellaini can play the striker role.

Paying £50k a week to Owen is committing £8m of our budget on a modest 3 year contract (over £10m on a 4 year contract, and more if he's getting bonuses). I think that £8m+ could be put to better use.

 

[BigBurger]

No. Peeked too early and is now a shadow of his former self.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

This season?

Louis Saha: 13 starts (15) 7 goals

Michael Owen: 24 starts (7) 10 goals

Are those stats right?

No. Saha has 8 goals in 16 (in a side that finished 5th) and Owen has 10 goals in 31 (in a side that finished 18th).

So most recent two seasons;

Saha
07/08 (Man Utd): 24 Games, 5 goals
08/09 (Everton): 16 Games, 8 goals
Total: 40 games, 13 goals

Owen
07/08 (Newcastle): 31 Games, 13 goals
08/09 (Newcastle): 31 Games, 10 Goals
Total: 61 Games. 23 goals

So Owen plays, and scores on a more regular basis, even in a weaker Newcastle side.

Funny that.

While were on the subject. Saha has only scored 82 top flight goals in England - and a good amount coming in a Man Utd side. Owen has scored nearly 200 in the Premiership.

As I said earlier in this thread;

Owens recent record

Liverpool 2002/03 54 games, 28 goals
Liverpool 2003/04 38 games, 19 goals
Real Madrid 2004/05 43 games, 16 goals
Newcastle 2005/06 11 games, 7 goals
Newcastle 2006/07 3 games 0 goals
Newcastle 2007/08 31 games, 13 goals
Newcastle 2008/09 29 games, 10 goals

Theory drawn from the above? When Owen plays, he scores - and he plays more than Saha, and indeed, scores more than Saha.

204 goals in 416 games, for a 29 year old English model professional - and people scoff at it immediately. We've come some way under David Moyes and Bill Kenwright. Dickov, Earnshaw or Alan Smith anyone?

10 goals this season in a Newcastle side.

If he replicated that for us, and I see no reason why he wouldn't, he would be worth the £40,000 to £50,000 wage. He plays and scores more than Saha.

"He is past his best" - If he wasn't, we wouldn't have a chance in hell of signing him. In my opinion, he's not so far past his best that he wouldn't improve us.

Oh, and those Dubai lads looking through Premiership teams would recognise Owen and would no doubt like to show off having the Michael Owen playing card.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

No. Peeked too early and is now a shadow of his former self.

To be fair, if he was at his best, we wouldn't have a sniff of a chance anyway....

Exactly, other areas are more important. And when we were without a striker recently, we fared really well. At a push, Cahill and big Fellaini can play the striker role.

Paying £50k a week to Owen is committing £8m of our budget on a modest 3 year contract (over £10m on a 4 year contract, and more if he's getting bonuses). I think that £8m+ could be put to better use.

Lets not forget if you spent £8m on a transfer fee they wouldn't then play for free and would also want a wage

 

[Goat]

Toccy just got utterly schooled. Note the date boys and girls, note the date.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Nah he'll come back with some well researched stats....

For me, in a limited sized squad, availability is everything. Especially given how much we struggled this season even without a heavier congested fixture list with the new Europa league layout. Owen has featured more in recent seasons than Saha.

 

[Screech]

If he can score 10 goals with those muppets, just think how many he could score with Arteta, Pienaar and (hopefully) a new top right winger sending them in

 

[Goat]

If hes coming because its a good move with regards Home life, then I really dont want him, if hes coming because hes got a point to prove, well maybe I would take him.

I just dont think he cares enough, sadly for me, neither does Saha.

 

[BigBurger]

To be fair, if he was at his best, we wouldn't have a sniff of a chance anyway....

True, great point. Its such a risk but the returns could be massive. Am stumped now.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Toccy just got utterly schooled. Note the date boys and girls, note the date.

Believe me mate, I haven't.

Saha has only started 14 games this season and he's made 15 sub appearences (I missed out the cup final). He hasn't started 16 games at all (if that's what Danny means). If he has then get me those 16 starts and we'll go over them.

Owen has been on the pitch far more than Louis Saha (in terms of minutes and starts) and has only scored two more goals. Unless we are going to count a load of sub appearences as starts.

And if you look at Owen's starts he actually has had a decent run when he's been fit. 6/7 games every now and then to build up sharpness and match fitness. Saha (as we know) comes in every once and a while and may start 2-3 games at best before Jo, Cahill or Yak came back. That certainly means something with strikers.

As for Saha's career, He's probably started 80-100 games less than Michael Owen in all competitions. And his record is very good for both Fulham and Man utd:

Everton: 14 starts (8 goals)

Manchester Utd: 76 starts (42 goals)

Fulham: 120 starts (64 goals)

That's in all competitions, including the FA Cup, League cup and Champions League.

 

[Blue Wiz]

Won't be very enthusiastic if we sign him to be honest. For £50k a week I would expect a more injuryfree striker to be honest. If he would go lower to, say £35k/week + bonuses that might rise to £50k then I'd be more interested.

He's old(ish), injuryprone and haven't shown much workethics in the games I've seen this season. And how much would be play if we get a healthy Yak-Saha-Vaughan lineup as well? I'd still think Yak and Saha would go before him in line, unless he shows a very good goal/match ratio. His ratio last season was worse than Saha. Saha 1 goal/2 matches and Owen 1 goal/3 matches.

 

[Screech]

I'd be happy with £30k p/w plus £20k appearance fee

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Believe me mate, I haven't.

Saha has only started 14 games this season and he's made 15 sub appearences (I missed out the cup final). He hasn't started 16 games at all (if that's what Danny means). If he has then get me those 16 starts and we'll go over them.

Owen has been on the pitch far more than Louis Saha (in terms of minutes and starts) and has only scored two more goals. Unless we are going to count a load of sub appearences as starts.

And if you look at Owen's starts he actually has had a decent run when he's been fit. 6/7 games every now and then to build up sharpness and match fitness. Saha (as we know) comes in every once and a while and may start 2-3 games at best before Jo, Cahill or Yak came back. That certainly means something with strikers.

As for Saha's career, He's probably started 80-100 games less than Michael Owen in all competitions. And his record is very good for both Fulham and Man utd:

Everton: 14 starts (8 goals)

Manchester Utd: 76 starts (42 goals)

Fulham: 120 starts (64 goals)

That's in all competitions, including the FA Cup, League cup and Champions League.

All your stats are wrong mate. Baffling.

Saha made 124 appearences for Man Utd... Lets not manipulate the statistics ay? Maybe also keep it simple and keep it to Premier League goals? Take away League Cup goals, Saha only scored 35 for Man Utd.

Owens career goal per game ratio is better than Sahas. Fact-a-mundo