Owen

[GrandOldTeam]

Just looking through Sahas career statistics.

While at Man Utd in 2004/05, from 22 starts, Saha scored just 2 times. Was surprised at that. You wont find that in Owens career.

Lets look at how many times Owen and Saha have reached double figures in the Premier League.

Owen has had 11 Premier League seasons, reaching double figures 9 times - often in the 20+ bracket. Only twice has he failed to reach double figures, both through injury from 2005 to 2007, although he did manage 7 goals in 14 games in this period.

Saha has had 10 Premier League seasons, reaching double figures 3 times.


More food for thought

 

[Seamus Colemole]

A punch in the face is better than a kick in the bollocks but i wouldn't want one of them either.

Owen is a past it self important greedy footballer and i don't want him here.

I'd rather have David Nugent. And i would lay money on him being cheaper and scoring more goals if not at least as many over a season here than Owen would.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Just looking through Sahas career statistics.

While at Man Utd in 2004/05, from 22 starts, Saha scored just 2 times. Was surprised at that. You wont find that in Owens career.

Lets look at how many times Owen and Saha have reached double figures in the Premier League.

Owen has had 11 Premier League seasons, reaching double figures 9 times - often in the 20+ bracket. Only twice has he failed to reach double figures, both through injury from 2005 to 2007, although he did manage 7 goals in 14 games in this period.

Saha has had 10 Premier League seasons, reaching double figures 3 times.


More food for thought

Both men are in the twilight of their careers, though. So it's not fair to judge them as if both were young bucks. The fact is, Saha's recent goals to games ratio is better than Owen's.

Look, Owen is a spent force. Regardless of whether Saha also is, doesn't change that fact. Newcastle supporters seem to agree that he drained their resources and gave nothing back.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Both men are in the twilight of their careers, though. So it's not fair to judge them as if both were young bucks. The fact is, Saha's recent goals to games ratio is better than Owen's.

Look, Owen is a spent force. Regardless of whether Saha also is, doesn't change that fact. Newcastle supporters seem to agree that he drained their resources and gave nothing back.

Disagree. I would say Owens recent record is better. More games and more goals - in a poorer side.

If you mean just last seasons goal per game ratio - isn't that a tad unfair to judge? I mean, is 2 goals in 1 game better than 100 goals in 200 games?

Considering Newcastles season, I would say its fairer to judge on the past two seasons - recent and fair enough. Owen wins on that front.

Gave nothing back to Newcastle? To be fair, he was their leading scorer...

 

[ToxtethBlue]

All your stats are wrong mate. Baffling.

Saha made 124 appearences for Man Utd... Lets not manipulate the statistics ay? Maybe also keep it simple and keep it to Premier League goals? Take away League Cup goals, Saha only scored 35 for Man Utd.

Owens career goal per game ratio is better than Sahas. Fact-a-mundo

What's wrong with those stats?

Saha made 76 starts and 48 sub appearances during his time at Manchester Utd. As for his record, Goals are goals, it doesn't matter if it's the League, Champions League, Uefa cup, League cup or FA Cup. They all count.

Possibly, although if we are talking goals to starts I'm guessing it'll be very close. They've both probably got 1 in 2 I reckon but I haven't got the stats to say whether that's true or not.

That's not why I'd back Saha though, I'd back him because nowadays I think both him and Yakubu are better and more rounded strikers than Michael Owen. Obviously that's just my opinion, looking at them as players nowadays instead of 10 years ago.

And obviously his better goals to game (starts/minutes) ratio last season.











Or did Saha really start 16 games this season.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

I'd take him on pay as you play, on his day he is still pretty lethal, all about the fitness though with him, if DM thinks he can keep him fit i'm sure he'll bang a few in

 

[GrandOldTeam]

What's wrong with those stats?

Saha made 76 starts and 48 sub appearances during his time at Manchester Utd. As for his record, Goals are goals, it doesn't matter if it's the League, Champions League, Uefa cup, League cup or FA Cup. They all count.

Possibly, although if we are talking goals to starts I'm guessing it'll be very close. They've both probably got 1 in 2 I reckon but I haven't got the stats to say whether that's true or not.

That's not why I'd back Saha though, I'd back him because nowadays I think both him and Yakubu are better and more rounded strikers than Michael Owen. Obviously that's just my opinion, looking at them as players nowadays instead of 10 years ago.

And obviously his better goals to game (starts/minutes) ratio last season.











Or did Saha really start 16 games this season.

According to Wikipedia...

Looking at the Europa League next season - I would say Owen would be more useful than Saha in that Owen is less injury prone - he's been available for selection a lot more than Saha.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Disagree. I would say Owens recent record is better. More games and more goals - in a poorer side.

If you mean just last seasons goal per game ratio - isn't that a tad unfair to judge? I mean, is 2 goals in 1 game better than 100 goals in 200 games?

Considering Newcastles season, I would say its fairer to judge on the past two seasons - recent and fair enough. Owen wins on that front.

Gave nothing back to Newcastle? To be fair, he was their leading scorer...

Not really, Saha is around a goal very two games. Owen is a goal every three games. So Saha has the better record.

But like I mentioned, we have to judge them in there here and now, not on past glories. By footballing standards, Owen and Saha are quite old. So we can't suddenly expect Owen to be the player he was at Liverpool. In fact, we can see quite clearly that he is shadow of that.

 

[Winci]

Stats are great food for thoughts, in fact I love stats, but really stats never tell the whole story. A player could be great in one system and crap in another, so IMO whether we sign Owen or not, it will come up to how fast he figures out the way we play (if he ever does), and the service the midfield can provide for him.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

According to Wikipedia...

Looking at the Europa League next season - I would say Owen would be more useful than Saha in that Owen is less injury prone - he's been available for selection a lot more than Saha.

Has Louis Saha started 16 games this season stat man? If you've got that that your stats (as a whole) have got to be spot on.

Possibly, who knows? There both injury prone anyway. Saha could have potentially started 29 games this season, Owen could have potentially started 31.

Not a massive difference to be honest. Neither are what you'd call reliable, sadly.

 

[Neiler]

Ill have Owen and Saha thanks! I am just amazed more people dont want him, Owen is sheer quality you never loose that, i would be all over odds on him notching over 15 goals for us easy.

Owen will always score goals given oppurtunites with the ball in the box and that is something we do well, he would clean up with us, remember where you heard it.

Incidently how many mangers has he played under since he went to Newcastle, anyone who doesent think that doesnt have a major bearing is kiding themselves.

No brainer for me - deal of the summer for someone hopefully us.

P.S. the whole of the Newcastle squad is injury prone and have been for years, there known for their coaching gashness.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

By the way Neiler, I am not saying I wouldn't take Owen. I've said that whilst it's a gamble it's good to see he's willing to drop his wage, it's certainly an option I'd look at if he's willing. As I said in a previous post.

I'm just arguing that Saha is better, really. And given the same amount of starts as Owen would score more goals. Obviously that's just my opinion.

 

[Micky]

I don't know if it's already been said, can't be bothered to scroll through. But a bloke on the peoples forum, has said that the usual poster, who is always bang on with transfers has said Owen is a done deal.

 

[Neiler]

By the way Neiler, I am not saying I wouldn't take Owen. I've said that whilst it's a gamble it's good to see he's willing to drop his wage, it's certainly an option I'd look at if he's willing. As I said in a previous post.

I'm just arguing that Saha is better, really. And given the same amount of starts as Owen would score more goals. Obviously that's just my opinion.

Different players mate, id see them both doing a job, Saha prob has more well honed skill, techniuqe, innate ability and can score a few different type of goals, where as Owen relies more on his engine, anticiaption, positioniong, going for second or maybe balls and finding space in the box. You wont see Owen score many from outside the box, but you wont see Saha get many slide ins either.

Options and choices lads! We've a few lads coming of the wage bill, if one Owen = AVDM + Castillo in wages, im happy with that.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Not really, Saha is around a goal very two games. Owen is a goal every three games. So Saha has the better record.

Saha
07/08 (Man Utd): 24 Games, 5 goals
08/09 (Everton): 16 Games, 8 goals
Total: 40 games, 13 goals

Owen
07/08 (Newcastle): 31 Games, 13 goals
08/09 (Newcastle): 31 Games, 10 Goals
Total: 61 Games. 23 goals

They're facts. Owen has played and scored more, in a poorer side. I can't see how Saha has a better recent record?

But like I mentioned, we have to judge them in there here and now, not on past glories.

Pish-posh

So we can't suddenly expect Owen to be the player he was at Liverpool. In fact, we can see quite clearly that he is shadow of that.

Obviously. As I said, if he wasn't past it, we wouldn't be even in with a shout of signing him. I would say though that his recent Newcastle record is as good as some of his Liverpool seasons.