Panorama to question ownership of Everton

[stamullenblue]

Fat Sam must be mad keen to sign hearing about all these so called dodgy dealings !

 

[Neiler]

So we can be rich and compete but it's legit?

The only show in town mate is growing the business and infrastructure, if you look at all the top 4/5 clubs every single one has/is doing work on their ground. That’s due to with PL regulations on spending.

We lag behind all on commercial income, really what we should be targeting is incremental improvement of the business commercially, partnered with the same incremental approach on the pitch. One drives the other.

We are in the slip stream at the moment, but the new ground should give us a foundation at least to grow.

 

[Neiler]

I can't see any evidence to support your assertion that Moshiri is only interested in Liverpool Waters and not Everton.
Also, I understand that Moshiri paid off our debt, amounting to £80 million at the time. Are you saying that wasn't his own money?
Where I do agree with you is that Moshiri really did want to buy into a Premier League club in his own right. The Usmanov connection is interesting, but may ultimately mean nothing to Everton.

He had to pay off the mortgage (seculisation deal) on Goodison to move to the new ground on the waterfront mate.

He is going to put a 160 mill liability at least on Everton with the new stadium, I’m not against that I’d like to add.

Yet my own opinion is when the new ground is built Mosishiri will sell us within five years for a big profit.

I’m just pointing this out because I think his motivations in Everton are less about affection and more to do with making a profit on his investment.

 

[roydo]

Unfortunately that isn't how it works. They could get rich and still leave us shafted.

Nope. Its mutually exclusive.

 

[davek]

Which is fair enough mate.

So long as it's done subtly, I don't really care if Usmanov is pulling the strings a bit behind the scenes. I also don't care if part of the reason Moshiri is here is to be involved in the Liverpool Waters regeneration ( After all, it needs regenerating, and corporate bodies will make money out of it either way ).

So long as the club benefits without an overall negative impact on the city, them I'm a happy bunny, and I think, deep down, so would you be

As long as he keeps his size tens out of the football decision making. He's almost killed us with that Koeman appointment. He's a geek and needs to accept that and stop playing FM with this club.

 

[Badge1878]

Was never the smoking gun it was made out to be with caps on how much you can invest from outside sources even if he were to come he couldn’t bank roll the way Chelsea and City have in the past.

He could do pretty much what the Mosh is already doing, likely he is from a far.

Not sure there are any massive revelations here; a Panorama investigation into Philip Green, Vibrac & 'advice to the Everton board' is a story I'd have been interested in.

It's a bit like the Telegraph's undercover scoop with Fat Sam, yes he lost his job but he maintains he did nothing illegal. I think a reserve coach at Barnsley lost his job over these revelations - BBC seem to make a big splash about stories which generate the odd headline - but light on substance. Can't see much to this at all.

 

[blulouie]

Much ado about nothing

 

[davek]

I think that’s a bit out there mate, I can’t see the PL doing much damage to Putin or Russian big business, if the biggest democracy in the world can’t find a smoking gun against their puppet mastery, certainly I don’t the bloke on Panarama who chases the lads in to,the bogs is going to give Putin any sleepless nights. It was badly hyperbole just showing a picture of Putin and Usmanov, could be a Russian orphanage for all they know. I thought the whole programme was a really poor example of investigative journalism to be frank. Panorama has really gone down hill. Hanging outside Buckingham Palace, jumping in front of kids waiting for an autograph, chasing lads into the bogs, god awful.

I have no doubt the links exist, I’ve no doubt it’s common informal knowledge. I just don’t think formally a rule has been broken or can be proven to be broken. Like I’ve said all share transactions are subject to PL assessment, the gift took place in 2008 approved, the selling of his shares back 2016 approved as was his purchase shares in Everton. The only new public information is the gift, the PL will be aware of it a long time.

As for Bridgewater it’s well known Moshiri and Usmanov have many buisness interests together, they are buisness partners. There is nothing to say you can’t use the services services of your own or a PL stakeholder for due dillegence or comply with financial regulations, they didn’t say what financial regulations were breached? in fact if you own a financial house or buisness partner does it makes sense to use it to keep costs down. Suggestive yes, breaking a rule no. To be honest how is it different to the USM sponsorship deal, that is far more of a smoking gun and murkier yet the PL have no issue. Amazed that didn’t come up.

It’s a powder puff piece. Shockingly bad one to, very low quality journalism.

That's just seeing things and blotting out any downside to the info presented. You and others are making the big mistake that other people are like Everton supporters and just nod and wink about the links between the club and Usmanov. This wil be an eye opener for the general public who saw it and I wouldn't expect that to be that. I'd say that there's likely more evidence to come. That's the way these things a work: set up the second wave of info once you have people's attention.

As said, if there's a political will to get the skids under Usmanov they'll do that, and we need to avoid being collateral damage.

 

[Groucho]

I don’t see many Arsenal fans worried, and if there was anything in this, they would be too.

 

[Woolly Blue]

As long as he keeps his size tens out of the football decision making. He's almost killed us with that Koeman appointment. He's a geek and needs to accept that and stop playing FM with this club.

Meh.

Koeman looked like a decent appointment, it went wrong and he's changed it. To be honest, given Koeman was his man, I'm a bit surprised he didn't give him longer, so he's not scared to make tough decisions.

Hopefully his "root and branch" review will be looking at the non-playing side of the club in a similar way, and start to weed out any underperforming people.

 

[Wayno]

Mad how much of a non story this is

Also mad how much it’s gonna blow up

 

[bluestevon]

That's just seeing things and blotting out any downside to the info presented. You and others are making the big mistake that other people are like Everton supporters and just nod and wink about the links between the club and Usmanov. This wil be an eye opener for the general public who saw it and I wouldn't expect that to be that. I'd say that there's likely more evidence to come. That's the way these things a work: set up the second wave of info once you have people's attention.

As said, if there's a political will to get the skids under Usmanov they'll do that, and we need to avoid being collateral damage.

Dave panorama has been in the toilet for years compared to the waves it used to make with genuinely brilliant exposes, it's viewing figures these days are probably a tenth of a big brother episode or the latest Fay gypsies wedding.

Christ the public your speaking of getting up in arms can't even be parsed doing that for mps sexually assaulting people, for election frauds, for an illegal war which we where lied too about, or for the self same BBC covering up countless cases of the rapes and abuse of children by their star employees.

 

[Toffeelover]

Not a clue if he has an interest in the consortium that bought the Liver Building mate.

But I would venture that the rich pickings to be made by getting the Liverpool Waters thing kick started via a dockside football stadium was involved in many discussions, way before Moshiri broke cover.

I may well be wrong, but said for ages now, the end game aint EFC. Its Liverpool Waters. We happen to be the key to that. Usnamov has sent his mate to set it up.

And as the return is potentially spectacular, even to a billionaire, he wont compromise that by mucking up with the rules and that,

Sorry mate just do not buy it. Usmanov is able to command vast resources way beyond our imaginations why wait for a football club to get a toe hold into the project. Surely he could just go straight to Peel Holdings.

 

[Groucho]

Meh.

Koeman looked like a decent appointment, it went wrong and he's changed it. To be honest, given Koeman was his man, I'm a bit surprised he didn't give him longer, so he's not scared to make tough decisions.

Hopefully his "root and branch" review will be looking at the non-playing side of the club in a similar way, and start to weed out any underperforming people.

Most of us thought Koeman was the guy until recently.

I too was surprised he acted quickly.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Never was mate.

But he is...