Bob Elstone
Player Valuation: £35m
No chance. Probably end up with Andy Warhol when the baggies fire him.
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No chance. Probably end up with Andy Warhol when the baggies fire him.
OnlyBlueWillDo
Player Valuation: £35m
In charge for the first game next season, nailed on.
JLW
Player Valuation: £60m
Not if he gets to the quarters of the CL or even further.
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
I've watched this another 10 times since yesterday.
Who wouldn't want that togger at Everton?!
Still would prefer Silva.
Silva has experience
1. Winning and breaking records with top teams in weak leagues although stronger than Ukraine.
2. No noticeable failures like Porto.
3. Did well with a mid table team and a bottom 3 premiership team.
I think Fonseca would be riskier.
Silva has experience
1. Winning and breaking records with top teams in weak leagues although stronger than Ukraine.
2. No noticeable failures like Porto.
3. Did well with a mid table team and a bottom 3 premiership team.
I think Fonseca would be riskier.
wha..? I mean, "experience" is all great but you can't get it until you get it. And getting a club relegated then getting sacked from your next job about 8 months in, I think I would call that a "noticeable failure".
I don't necessarily disagree with your last point, but the possible reward for Fonseca is, imo, much much higher.
There's no point debating with Adversus. You'll never win.
chazzle_dazzle
Player Valuation: £35m
But there lies the issue with the club and a section fans.... Silva has premier league experience, Fonseca does not.
It doesn't matter the Silva has been relegated, didn't save a club and then sacked from another. Fonseca could get to the final of the champs league with Shaktar and because he doesn't have premier league experience he wouldn't be fancied....
Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce all had prem experience......
Wish everyone would start thinking outside the box, and more importantly outside the shores of the Premiership.
I think we both know there were extenuating circumstances but i agree the Watford sacking is still a black mark but more because of how he handled our approach. Hull was nothing but positive, Guardiola couldn't have done as well.
I just think the up side isn't worth the extra risk. Silva plays good football too and knows what works and doesn't work in the premiership.
There's outside the box and then there's Ukraine.But there lies the issue with the club and a section fans.... Silva has premier league experience, Fonseca does not.
It doesn't matter the Silva has been relegated, didn't save a club and then sacked from another. Fonseca could get to the final of the champs league with Shaktar and because he doesn't have premier league experience he wouldn't be fancied....
Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce all had prem experience......
Wish everyone would start thinking outside the box, and more importantly outside the shores of the Premiership.
chazzle_dazzle
Player Valuation: £35m
No there isn't... there is a entire world with good managers all over it...
Imagine this type of thinking when Arsenal appointed Wenger... "There's out the box then there is managing in Japan"
I imagine that if this was 18 months ago, you'd probably be saying the same thing about Marco Silva, because he wouldn't have been on anyone radar.
Our fans would be screaming between passes 9 and 14 to "get it f**king forward".
Regarding Silva.
We have no idea what happened between the various interested parties when Everton were courting Silva and made a bid to Watford for his services.
At the time it seemed that he stood back and said that he would leave it up to the clubs to sort it out.
However, after he was sacked I read that it was his constant requests for meetings with the board asking to be allowed to talk to Everton and to be allowed to leave for Everton convinced the Watford board even then that he had lost all focus at Watford and that had been transmitted to some players who wanted to go to Everton with him.... but then , Watford would say something like that... So , I don't know what is actually the truth.
Nor, do we know what was agreed between Everton, Silva and his agent at the time or has been agreed for the future... if that conversation ever took place.
We don't know if the Everton board still hold him in high regard after his dismissal, we only know they were prepared to pay Watford a fortune to get him, could they change their opinion so dramatically ?
I read recently that we were turned down by Tuchel but at the moment that is just paper talk with nothing to back that up and Tuchel is still out of work.
I think that what I am saying is that if Sam leaves the odds would be short on Silva being appointed .. at a fraction of the cost . I think Silva sounds like a BK appointment whereas we were told he didn't want Sam... my head hurts.... and I still hold the belief Sam will still be here next season.
We have no idea what happened between the various interested parties when Everton were courting Silva and made a bid to Watford for his services.
At the time it seemed that he stood back and said that he would leave it up to the clubs to sort it out.
However, after he was sacked I read that it was his constant requests for meetings with the board asking to be allowed to talk to Everton and to be allowed to leave for Everton convinced the Watford board even then that he had lost all focus at Watford and that had been transmitted to some players who wanted to go to Everton with him.... but then , Watford would say something like that... So , I don't know what is actually the truth.
Nor, do we know what was agreed between Everton, Silva and his agent at the time or has been agreed for the future... if that conversation ever took place.
We don't know if the Everton board still hold him in high regard after his dismissal, we only know they were prepared to pay Watford a fortune to get him, could they change their opinion so dramatically ?
I read recently that we were turned down by Tuchel but at the moment that is just paper talk with nothing to back that up and Tuchel is still out of work.
I think that what I am saying is that if Sam leaves the odds would be short on Silva being appointed .. at a fraction of the cost . I think Silva sounds like a BK appointment whereas we were told he didn't want Sam... my head hurts.... and I still hold the belief Sam will still be here next season.
I could see Arsenal going for Fonseca. We'll appoint Silva and finish seventh. But at least I'd watch.
You're right I probably would have.
I'm not saying Fonseca definitely wouldn't do well and I like how his team's play.
I'm saying he's a more risky appointment and I don't think he has shown enough to justify that risk over Silva. One very good season in Ukraine and a decent champions league campaign aren't enough for me - it may just be down to having good players. His record before isn't that great.
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