Phil Jagielka

[jazzy]

I cant see how it would inflame the situation: 'Everton captain wants Everton player to stay'. Hardly anything noteworthy.

Surely you would only be bothered about "inflaming the situation " if ultimately you wanted to broker a deal to sell.

If you want to keep him who cares if you p*ss of Mourinho

 

[davek]

Dave, it'd be spun as an England centre-half trying to hold back Stones for his own career, the same one who was apparently responsible for England getting knocked out of the World Cup. I agree, Jagielka should be saying that he wants Stones to say, but with a hostile press, I can see why he might not.

I honestly cant. It's so anodyne a comment to make it isn't even worth thinking about how it could be spun. It's unspinnable: 'The Everton captain says his young central defensive partner should stay at Goodison'. I just cant see the downside of answering a question in the local press.

It sounds terrible that he couldn't bring himself to simply answer that as any captain of any club should.

 

[davek]

Surely you would only be bothered about "inflaming the situation " if ultimately you wanted to broker a deal to sell.

If you want to keep him who cares if you p*ss of Mourinho

Thats the only alternative explanation.

If the captain says Stones should stay and a deal in principle is in place it may make sense. But still, it casts a terrible shadow over Jagielka and his ability to lead a team of players when he takes the opportunity to publicly state he cant really say whether one of our players should stay or not. Imagine any potential incoming player who may have two good offers reading those words? If it was me I wouldn't take it as a ringing endorsement of the club.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

If memory serves me correctly RM, Jags boss, described the discussion of Stones situation through the press as 'illegal'?

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[Alex Hindmarsh]

This statement by him today in the Echo - I find it incredible from an Everton captain:


And on Stones’ future, Jagielka concluded: “I have not really got an opinion and if I have it is private. I am not going to discuss what I think John should or shouldn’t do in the paper. “At the end of the day it will be down to him and the club what goes on. I will speak to him and try and guide him the best I can, but that is something that is between the players and the backroom staff.”

He's the team captain FFS! How can he not simply answer the question on Stones by simply stating in public "my view is that John should stay with this football club and help us build toward the future".

I mean, how can an Everton captain not offer that advice and remain captain? I'm completely staggered by that. WTF type of people are pulling on that blue shirt these days?





[mods: couldn't see an open Jagielka titled thread so I put it in here]

That part of the quote sticks out like a sore thumb. Could basically paraphrase that to 'I really think he should better his career by moving'.

Everton captain.

 

[davek]

If memory serves me correctly RM, Jags boss, described the discussion of Stones situation through the press as 'illegal'?

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

The tapping up aspect is. How can a captain commenting on his own team mate be remotely thought of as illegal?

 

[davek]

That part of the quote sticks out like a sore thumb. Could basically paraphrase that to 'I really think he should better his career by moving'.

Everton captain.

I'd suggest that if he really cant immediately knock that question out of the ball bark with a swift "John, I believe, should remain with us and progress his career here at Everton", then that's the type of player you want nowhere near any leadership role at a club.

It's utterly bizarre, even allowing for the fact that he's never ever come across as an onfield leader it's a very alarming statement for him to make about an off-field issue.

This feller is captain in name only. Offers nothing to us apart from a handful of very good last ditch tackle type of performances every season.

 

[Alex Hindmarsh]

I'd suggest that if he really cant immediately knock that question out of the ball bark with a swift "John, I believe, should remain with us and progress his career here at Everton", then that's the type of player you want nowhere near any leadership role at a club.

It's utterly bizarre, even allowing for the fact that he's never ever come across as an onfield leader it's a very alarming statement for him to make about an off-field issue.

This feller is captain in name only. Offers nothing to us apart from a handful of very good last ditch tackle type of performances every season.

I do think he's a really good centre half but I'm absolutely baffled by what he's said there

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The tapping up aspect is. How can a captain commenting on his own team mate be remotely thought of as illegal?

They'll be following a PR plan. Most communications from organisations are controlled as such with careful briefing etc.

 

[Tree13]

Am I right in saying Jags lost the initial challenge in the air for the second goal too?

Would hardly come as a surprise. If Jags has a glaring weakness in his game, he's just not very good in the air.

 

[Tree13]

Imagine the Kopites if Gerrard/Henderson came out with something as staggeringly insulting as that?

Jagielka is captain of this club by virtue of the fact he get given an armband every game. He has no right wearing it and he is and never will be an Everton captain.

Agree 100% with this. His continuing lack of leadership is really sad to see. Where was he when Galloway got chopped down by Watford's grock centre forward? Should be in the ref's face demanding a red, but he wasn't. I'm genuinely convinced that PART of the reason we seem to be lacking in spirit on the field is down to Jags lacking in spirit himself.

 

[mkrudden]

Agree 100% with this. His continuing lack of leadership is really sad to see. Where was he when Galloway got chopped down by Watford's grock centre forward? Should be in the ref's face demanding a red, but he wasn't. I'm genuinely convinced that PART of the reason we seem to be lacking in spirit on the field is down to Jags lacking in spirit himself.

Lacking in spirit?

Spirit was about the only thing we showed on Saturday.

How much of a gobber did Gerrard look when he said re: Suarez 'Ill do everything to make him stay'. He left regardless, to a team challenging regularly for major honours and a bumper pay-rise. Gerrard, red-faced club captain looked like a fool.

Jagielka - who has no idea whether he will be sold or not, dodges the question to avoid being tomorrow's headline... and is therefore worthy of criticism apparently.

Right then.

 

[Goat]

A God amongst defenders.

 

[Tree13]

Lacking in spirit?

Spirit was about the only thing we showed on Saturday.

How much of a gobber did Gerrard look when he said re: Suarez 'Ill do everything to make him stay'. He left regardless, to a team challenging regularly for major honours and a bumper pay-rise. Gerrard, red-faced club captain looked like a fool.

Jagielka - who has no idea whether he will be sold or not, dodges the question to avoid being tomorrow's headline... and is therefore worthy of criticism apparently.

Right then.

First off, what did you think of Jags' failure to react to the studs up sliding challenge on Galloway's standing ankle? If you feel the urge to quote my post then do me the basic courtesy of replying to the question. I personally think that Galloway will feel a bit let down that his own captain, playing alongside him in defence, didn't seem fussed about such a nasty foul.

Secondly, whilst Gerrard generally looks like a fool most of the time he did at least show some pride in his own club by saying he wanted Suarez to stay. Jags could easily have said "Personally I want John to stay here, to continue to get regular starts in the Prem and develop his skills an dexperience as a player. But transfer business is not my responsibility at Everton, so I cannot say what will happen". Even if Stones was later sold, those remarks could hardly be used as a stick with which to beat Jags.

Finally, Jag's low-key style of leadership has been done to death on here. The best praise anyone can muster for it is to point out that yelling and fist-waving is not the be all and end all of leadership, which is true... but Jags does not come across as a leader who inspires a never-say-die attitude in his team. He does not epitomise the motto of this club and given our current on-field woes (lasting a year now) I think it's legitimate to point a finger at the on-field leadership as PART of the problem.

 

[mkrudden]

First off, what did you think of Jags' failure to react to the studs up sliding challenge on Galloway's standing ankle? If you feel the urge to quote my post then do me the basic courtesy of replying to the question. I personally think that Galloway will feel a bit let down that his own captain, playing alongside him in defence, didn't seem fussed about such a nasty foul.

Secondly, whilst Gerrard generally looks like a fool most of the time he did at least show some pride in his own club by saying he wanted Suarez to stay. Jags could easily have said "Personally I want John to stay here, to continue to get regular starts in the Prem and develop his skills an dexperience as a player. But transfer business is not my responsibility at Everton, so I cannot say what will happen". Even if Stones was later sold, those remarks could hardly be used as a stick with which to beat Jags.

Finally, Jag's low-key style of leadership has been done to death on here. The best praise anyone can muster for it is to point out that yelling and fist-waving is not the be all and end all of leadership, which is true... but Jags does not come across as a leader who inspires a never-say-die attitude in his team. He does not epitomise the motto of this club and given our current on-field woes (lasting a year now) I think it's legitimate to point a finger at the on-field leadership as PART of the problem.

Apologies for the lack of basic courtesy, I forgot you'd even 'said' that tbh.

In response, I've never seen why getting in a human beings face (the referee), veins-pumping, spitting, swearing etc is a mark of a great leader.

I much prefer to point towards a number 9 one on one and our leader makes a vital last ditch tackle to deny a strike on goal.
I prefer to point a towards our leader shepherding and tutoring our prodigy centre-back through games (a point which stones has publically praised Jagielka for).

What about what others day about him in the leadership capacity?

Gerrard (England): "Just because I'm the captain with the armband on, I still want the likes of Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney and Phil Jagielka to still be leaders in there with me and back me up and we all do it together."