Phil Jagielka

[Prevenger17]

Yes.

Have a 3 from 3 record in penno shootouts and was a nasty death bowler for my club 2s lad. Passed my driving test first time too.

I thrive.

You're alright Tim. A bit bi-polar, but you're alright

 

[Blue Cheese]

Coward maybe unfair. But loser sums him up. Bad errors at most high pressure/high expectation points of his career. A career where he has won nothing and achieved little. He's no captain any rate.

He's achieved a lot more than you or I mate. Becoming a professional footballer in the first place is a massive achievement, Captaining a Premiership club, massive achievement and becoming an International is a massive achievement. He may not have a trophy cabinet full but neither do a lot of players, he's certainly no loser and he has achieved a great deal.

 

[marsh]

Is he colour blind? Didn't seem to pass to a yellow shirt yesterday

 

[ToffeeTim]

He's achieved a lot more than you or I mate. Becoming a professional footballer in the first place is a massive achievement, Captaining a Premiership club, massive achievement and becoming an International is a massive achievement. He may not have a trophy cabinet full but neither do a lot of players, he's certainly no loser and he has achieved a great deal.

Being good at football is a pretty good career option. Yes it's only through hard work and graft that you become the best, but most are simply just lucky enough to be blessed with the talent. It's all subjective like, but I don't equate a footballer's hard graft with that of say an A&E nurse working a night shift at the weekend.

 

[Blue Cheese]

Being good at football is a pretty good career option. Yes it's only through hard work and graft that you become the best, but most are simply just lucky enough to be blessed with the talent. It's all subjective like, but I don't equate a footballer's hard graft with that of say an A&E nurse working a night shift at the weekend.

That wasn't what you said though, your point was he hadn't achieved anything, clearly not true, nothing to do with nurses that's another debate.

 

[ToffeeTim]

That wasn't what you said though, your point was he hadn't achieved anything, clearly not true, nothing to do with nurses that's another debate.

But by playing in the premier league he's not achieved anything. He simply was lucky enough to be good enough. Saying playing in itself is an achievement is akin to saying successfully getting the bus into work tomorrow morning is success. Surely what you do and what you win, and the accolades you receive are the achievements.

But yea probably a different debate altogether that I'm getting into. I just think Jagielka is weak mentally not sensible choice as captain of a fragile side.

 

[Blue Cheese]

But by playing in the premier league he's not achieved anything. He simply was lucky enough to be good enough. Saying playing in itself is an achievement is akin to saying successfully getting the bus into work tomorrow morning is success. Surely what you do and what you win, and the accolades you receive are the achievements.

But yea probably a different debate altogether that I'm getting into. I just think Jagielka is weak mentally not sensible choice as captain of a fragile side.

Well, I think you are way off the mark, he wasn't just lucky, he still had to work hard to get there. Playing in the Prem is a massive achievement in most peoples eyes. Agree to disagree on this one.

 

[mkrudden]

Quality footballer.

 

[Joey66]

Quality footballer.

Getting past his best now been a great signing has to make way for Mori or Holgate IMO!

 

[Toffeelover]

Quality footballer.

Is or Was?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Is or Was?

Was

 

[Paul w]

Is or Was?

Never was.good but not quality.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

Dunno if this is just selective memory but he seems to have become more error prone as he has gotten older. Strange trait.

 

[Goat]

Hes had a few questionable moments in the last 2 games, still very much an oustanding player, thankfully Ronny can see his talent and will allow him to continue.

 

[davek]

Hes had a few questionable moments in the last 2 games, still very much an oustanding player, thankfully Ronny can see his talent and will allow him to continue.

Koeman only gives shirts to players on merit...unless they're senior pros who can rock the boat for him...then he'll back down and continue to play them if they underperform.