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Pienaar to return?

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Without knowing exactly what he was offered before he left last January it's impossible to apportion blame. Did he ask for parity with Arteta or did the board just under-value his worth ? We don't know, but I suspect it's a bit of both. If he has his agent breathing down his ear saying he can get him an extra 25% elsewhere (doubt if it's as low as 5%), then it would have been difficult to ignore that.

Leaving for more money wasn't the strange thing; it was the fact that he must have known it was going to be extremely difficult to break into the Spurs team ahead of the likes of Bale and Lennon.

Just glad he has seen the error of his ways. As a bible-reading person he will know the parable of the prodigal son. Which ends with the son being forgiven and treated as an equal when he returned home. He will have his work cut out to win over the crowd, but hopefully the end result will be the same.
 
When arteta signed his new deal pienaar was just as good, if not better than him. We then, (when arteta was playing gash but still on twice as much as pienaar) offered pienaar nothing close to artetas wages even though at the time he was our best player, I think stevie realised this and then told everton to offer him something decent or p**s off. We didn't offer him as much as he was worth compared to arteta and he did what IMO he had the right to do.
 

Neiler said:
Here - i wouldnt say hes a bad player but hes not half as good as people make out or he thinks he is.
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Its all kinda relative though in his case i think.

If you have a machine and just one small bolt falls out then the whole machine will stop working. Sure on its own or in a different machine its just one small bolt, but put it back into the original machine it becomes a very very important bolt.

Same with Pienaar, he was so vitally important to us enabling Baines to play to his best which helped our forwards and therefor helping us score goals, and we hadn't replaced him.

He was very good at one thing and we needed a player who was good at that, take him out and both us and him haven't looked as good.

But just because he didn't do well at Spurs doesn't mean he isn't still a good player though.
 

deathbyropeandglass said:
Its all kinda relative though in his case i think.

If you have a machine and just one small bolt falls out then the whole machine will stop working. Sure on its own or in a different machine its just one small bolt, but put it back into the original machine it becomes a very very important bolt.

Same with Pienaar, he was so vitally important to us enabling Baines to play to his best which helped our forwards and therefor helping us score goals, and we hadn't replaced him.

He was very good at one thing and we needed a player who was good at that, take him out and both us and him haven't looked as good.
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I would agree with part of that mate, he was a good working part of the system certainly, that very different to talking in terms of world class or even Arteta terms for me.

I dont really agree with the Baines thing to be honest, Baines best and most productive spell as an attacking force came immediately after Pienaar left, to be honest he looked a far better player, i accpet that could have been coincidence but i dont think so. I think his effectiveness has been endemic of the fact that overall team performences have suffered, i still think he is as creative, he just doesnt hasnt had the diversity of players or in form players to convert his build up play for me.
 
Neiler said:
I would agree with part of that mate, he was a good working part of the system certainly, that very different to talking in terms of world class or even Arteta terms for me.

I dont really agree with the Baines thing to be honest, Baines best and most productive spell as an attacking force came immediately after Pienaar left, to be honest he looked a far better player, i accpet that could have been coincidence but i dont think so. I think his effectiveness has been endemic of the fact that overall team performences have suffered, i still think he is as creative, he just doesnt hasnt had the diversity of players or in form players to convert his build up play for me.
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What about centrally mate, I remember you bigging him up for that role a few years ago, above Arteta at the time, who was still playing wide. Pienaar in the middle?
 
ToxtethBlue said:
What about centrally mate, I remember you bigging him up for that role a few years ago, above Arteta at the time, who was still playing wide. Pienaar in the middle?
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[TD="class: midtext"]Its certainly an option mate, pace, penetration, and mobility, simple short passing in link up play and a bit of vision, i liked him there during his Ajax days - im not expecting it though knowing Davey and his love of a big beefed up physical midfeild.

Although Pienaar is all about the preceding assist ball - i accept - i don't think he is direct enough in the final third or should i say productive enough for the wide area or as an inside forward either with primarily or secondary ball. At times his ability to stand on the ball and play intricately around the box for me meant/means we often lost the element of surprise and allowed team to set up.

Not that i think it will happen but i think there is an argument for a 4-2-3-1. Shaping up as:


-----Mofro---Rodwell

Roy----Pienarr ----Donavon

--------Jel

That three in behind is some mix of mobility, quality, vision, technique, threat and pace. With the two in behind a good mixture of quality, athleticism and physicality.

I think Roy will be dropped to the bench though, in favour of Pienaars work rate out wide though.[/TD]
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