davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Incredible.
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Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
I don't really agree with that, there's maybe been 6 teams that actually won anything over that period. It's not like everyone except us was winning pots, there's been a monopoly on silverware with only 1 major surprise.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
His major money signings were hit and miss: Kroldrop, Beattie, Bilyaletdinov - trash; Johnson (good early on, went off the boil badly), Fellaini the pick of his big cash signings.
Prices may have gone up but it doesn’t take away from the basic premise that we used to spend wisely and were more than the sum of our parts, and now we spend badly and are less than the sum of our parts.
Librarian
Player Valuation: £70m
Moyes has the advantage of being given time because the owners couldn’t afford to sack him.
If he had his 2nd season finish of 17th and 39 points in today’s climate he would have got the bullet and we wouldn’t have those stats.
Equally it is possible that the managers that proceeded him could have done as well or better if given the time to build their own squad.
Guardiola and Klopp are two of the longest serving managers in the PL now and they both took a couple of years to warm.
If he had his 2nd season finish of 17th and 39 points in today’s climate he would have got the bullet and we wouldn’t have those stats.
Equally it is possible that the managers that proceeded him could have done as well or better if given the time to build their own squad.
Guardiola and Klopp are two of the longest serving managers in the PL now and they both took a couple of years to warm.
Glasshalffull
Player Valuation: £10m
Moyes was a much, much better manager than he generally gets credit for, both in picking a player to come in, and using and motivating the players at his disposal. Any excessive defensiveness came out of genuinely having to take a knife to a gunfight. Not saying he'd win the league even with a huge budget - maybe his niche is doing the maximum with a little - but undeniably a good manager.
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blueblueday
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Moyes signings could mostly be sold on for a profit.
You can't say that about a lot of the players brought in over the last few seasons.
You can't say that about a lot of the players brought in over the last few seasons.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Yeah, but it was mostly a good first season and then fell away. Not spectacular value for money.
Zezti
Player Valuation: £70m
Firstly, 13/14 was Martinez, not Moyes.
And since you made the thread, could you be bothered to include your own opinion? You're presenting stats with no interpretation.
If your point is that 'spending money = bad results' then that's nonsense. You only spend money when you're not happy with the squad. We've not had a sqad to be happy with for a long time. Suddenly stopping the spending isn't going to get us anywhere.
Togger Blue
Player Valuation: £2.5m
How do these statistics compare with every other Premier League club over the same period?
You are entirely correct mate
Berenger
Player Valuation: £8m
You can normalise the values to make them comparable over time.
But the bigger problem is that transfer spend (+ wages) takes seasons to manifest. And even then, there are other variables you’d need to control for to make a reasonable comparison.
All that said, the conclusion is still clear: we’ve invested so badly since Moyes left.
But the bigger problem is that transfer spend (+ wages) takes seasons to manifest. And even then, there are other variables you’d need to control for to make a reasonable comparison.
All that said, the conclusion is still clear: we’ve invested so badly since Moyes left.
the sniderman
Player Valuation: £40m
i think this opens up a difficult conversation about who is in change and how much of a saviour they really are.
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