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mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
a director of football/technical director or whatever you want to call should be a long term appointment to run all aspects on the football side of the club. the manager/first team coach in modern football only usually hangs around for less than 5 yrs
chrismpw
Player Valuation: £70m
Expect so - but I imagine it lifts a great burden from the every day role of a manager. The fact that DoF has a big say in who and which players are bought into a club is probably the source of friction why it doesn't work everywhere.
"Right DoF have you got me Messi?"
"Nah mate - but Victor Anichibe is an a free"
And it's the Coach who'll end up getting the chop when Victor doesn't end up scoring as many goals as Messi would.
I imagine a coach like Moyes working with the players sourced by Martinez (generally) would have been a better combination that either individual manager would have been - assuming that is, that they would have even talked to one another after the first week of their philosophy crash!
Stan Lee Park
Player Valuation: £20m
Wow! That description doesn't paint a very positive picture of the mythical DOF does it?
Simon baker
Player Valuation: £10m
Surely the idea is that they create a structure within the setup of the club.
The plan being that the strength is with the setup & structure rather than the individual/manager.
The structure is most likely variable from club to club but it should be all encompassing with the exception of certain prerequisites that the manager must have complete control over the obvious areas being the first team & final say on transfers.
Major Change costs money & is only required if something isn't working.
Ultimately why should for example the data analysis & academy staff work for the first team manager rather than with him. If they work for the director of football there will surely be a greater focus on the long term & again the strength is with that structure rather than the individual.
Personally I can see only benefits providing there are clear boundaries & like any system/set up you have the right people within it.
Moshiri is clearly forward thinking & professional.
He used a data Analytics company to help with the purchase of the club an external sports managemnt agency to conduct the managerial search process & also the speed at which he is looking to address the stadium issue is positive.
I have no idea if this is how other clubs conduct there business but he seems to be cutting edge using modern methods to conduct his business matters & will attempt to set up a club structure which will be in place for a longtime.
Bluebonic
Player Valuation: £35m
Did ManU have a DoF? Becasue if they didnt, then i would suggest they arent as vital as some on here are making out? We should be using ManU as our model for long term sustanable success, not the johhny come lately, flash in the pan msides lie Chelski or Citteh! If they had one working with Ferguson, we should have one! If they didn't, then we could still get one, but i dont think they should be soemone we lose sleep over?
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
err have you seen utd since fegie left?!
hallamblue
Player Valuation: £40m
When it was Fergie and David Gill they were well run. Since then they haven't covered themselves in glory.
Good post.
Considering the rarity of football managers staying in a role for more than 3-4 years it makes sense to remove certain long-term responsibilities from their remit. Scouting network, youth development, contract negotiations, performance analysis etc. (even managerial recruitment) should all be processes that remain consistent within a company and not overhauled every time there's a change in general management.
I think Man United failed to shape their structure appropriately before Ferguson left and they've been reeling for three years as a result. Arsenal might be in a similar position once Wenger leaves, which could have influenced the way Moshiri is thinking about the make up of the club hierarchy.
Bluebonic
Player Valuation: £35m
My point still stands though? When they were the top team by a million miles, did they have a DoF? I am utterly ignorant of the role to be fair and couldn't have named a single one until all this Monshi stuff kicked off, so i am not making a stand against having one! I am just saying that has any club in this country enjoyed sustained success due to the efforts of a DoF? What works on the continent doesnt necessarily work here?
Bluebonic
Player Valuation: £35m
I think a lot of the blame there lies with ManU listening to Fergie on who his replacement should be! If a DoF would have made a difference to that decision then i could certainly see the value of one then!
Ashtonian
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If you want a good indication of how the DOF can positively influence the team then look at David Dein at Arsenal. (probably said this a few times now)
He would be going off and getting the players that were identified or Wenger wanted and paid the price they needed to pay to get them in. No suprise that it was the time Arsenal was last competitive in the league title wise. Wenger would umm and ahh over prices and players and dein basically just went and bought them over wenger's head and got him the players.
So essentially, we would have someone there who would get these deals done as it would be their job. If koeman decides a player would be key, the DOF would just go and get them, no messing about like previously here. If the DOF could also scout players like Monchi apparently controls then there is another bonus as it again takes the stress off the manager. Imagine i situation like at sevilla where the manager could tell the DOF what they wanted in the player and the DOF could just go out and buy the best possible player that they want. Need a tackling midfielder, consistent winger, striker who excels at holding the play up, centre half statistically strong in the air, these are the sorts of benefits the DOF can identify and bring.
He would be going off and getting the players that were identified or Wenger wanted and paid the price they needed to pay to get them in. No suprise that it was the time Arsenal was last competitive in the league title wise. Wenger would umm and ahh over prices and players and dein basically just went and bought them over wenger's head and got him the players.
So essentially, we would have someone there who would get these deals done as it would be their job. If koeman decides a player would be key, the DOF would just go and get them, no messing about like previously here. If the DOF could also scout players like Monchi apparently controls then there is another bonus as it again takes the stress off the manager. Imagine i situation like at sevilla where the manager could tell the DOF what they wanted in the player and the DOF could just go out and buy the best possible player that they want. Need a tackling midfielder, consistent winger, striker who excels at holding the play up, centre half statistically strong in the air, these are the sorts of benefits the DOF can identify and bring.
Evidently they made an unwise appointment in Moyes. However, Van Gaal also struggled, and I think this has a lot to do with the obvious difficulties in getting immediate results when an individual comes in and is not only responsible for training and tactics but also scouting, budgets, youth, etc. A DoF - as well as maybe recruiting more successfully - allows a manager to effectively operate exclusively as a head coach within an existing organisational structure, which might limit the kind of stagnation seen at Utd.
Barcelona have done this very well. They don't bring in superstar managers anymore yet have maintained their standards over four managerial changes in six years, with the possible exception of Martino's year in charge.
On another level completely, Les Reed has been vital to Southampton's development over the last six years, especially when big clubs take their managers off them...
I think four out of the top six all had one last year.
Leicester,Spurs, City, Southampton.
Utd and Arsenal didn't.
Simon baker
Player Valuation: £10m
Thanks completely agree with your post.
It would have been extremely hard to implement change when you are as successful as United and have a strong character like fergie involved perhaps they should have setup a complete new structure as he was leaving rather than expecting Moyes to carry on in the same role that fergie left behind.
Suppose this backs up the point of strength in the structure & the individual rather than just the individual.
This conversely should mean it's relatively easy for us & the timing seems perfect as there shouldn't be a massive amount of resistance to the changes in structure.
we have been a failing orignaistion for years & have a new owner driving the change.
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