He is but if you asked us to name 5 DOF's no one would name him as he isn't one was my point.
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He is but if you asked us to name 5 DOF's no one would name him as he isn't one was my point.
It's a strange situation, something new for the club that we have never have and not having this mythical director of football is holding us back according to some.
Whoever gets the position, will offer nothing short term and won't affect the signings this summer.
From a serious point of view, I wonder how this will affect Dr Peter Vints role as Academy director??
I guess it depends if someone is hired as a DOF or head of recruitment or whatever. As far as I'm aware a DOF literally runs everything bar the training etc. of the first team which makes me think of this Walsh is the one we want he wouldn't be a DOF in that sense due to him being a scout/assistant manager. It's an enormous leap in responsibilities.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I have seen some not be as convinced by Walsh and feel underwhelmed. I suppose that is inevitable given we were after Monchi. This post is definitely not trying to portray him as a better option than Monchi but he shouldn't be discarded.
The most obviously point is that his nationality counts against him. We all want someone exotic from abroad and often someone with similar abilities from England can be overlooked. I k now everyone says it but if his name was Stevio Walshes from Spain and he'd been at a club who were in the 3rd tier who had then gone on to win La Liga I think people would be viewing the appointment quite differently.
For similar reasons to the Koeman appointment there are definite positives with his being used to the English League mentality. For a few reasons I won't get into I actually think knowledge of England is more important for a DOF than a manager. The big question mark over Monchi, or most others operating abroad is that they are working to a largely export driven model. They are looking to offload talent and recruit at a much cheaper price.
While this is a useful transferable skill it does not automatically follow that it can be transferred into working with a much bigger budget. Likewise it is a fundamentally different skill to working in a more import driven market, with a big budget and trying to spend the money more wisely. As has often been said, managing Manchester United is a different skill to managing West Brom. being good at managing West Brom might not equip you for top end management. To a lesser degree we saw that with Moyes.
Walsh has not been at a club showered with money by any stretch, but his budgets at Leicester would still have had more in common with our position that Monchi's experience. They will also know the culture of England, how managers operate etc etc. So overall a very decent appointment.
The questions marks there may be for me. Firstly consistency, that is what marked Monchi out. Walsh did fantastically last season but that is different to doing it over a prolonged period. Monchi has shown that ability though few others can match him.
Perhaps more importantly I do worry slightly he seems to be more geared towards the scouting. I think our new DOF remit will have to be wider than that. In simple terms he is going to have to be able to set budgets based on quite a fluid financial situation in consultation with other board members. We basically don't generate a lot of money, but will have a lot of money from a benefactor yet may fall foul of regulations. This means we have to tread cleverly while minimising the contractions by increasing revenue. This is not a straightforward job and will need someone with ability to manage the club more broadly than just being able to spot a player (which seems to be his major skill)>
However overall very exciting. Leicester fans seem gutted he is going which is a good sign. He is the one constant they've had as they've made their way to the pinnacle of English football. Also for Everton to take Leicesters DOF and Southamptons manager would be a very strong statement.
The most obviously point is that his nationality counts against him. We all want someone exotic from abroad and often someone with similar abilities from England can be overlooked. I k now everyone says it but if his name was Stevio Walshes from Spain and he'd been at a club who were in the 3rd tier who had then gone on to win La Liga I think people would be viewing the appointment quite differently.
For similar reasons to the Koeman appointment there are definite positives with his being used to the English League mentality. For a few reasons I won't get into I actually think knowledge of England is more important for a DOF than a manager. The big question mark over Monchi, or most others operating abroad is that they are working to a largely export driven model. They are looking to offload talent and recruit at a much cheaper price.
While this is a useful transferable skill it does not automatically follow that it can be transferred into working with a much bigger budget. Likewise it is a fundamentally different skill to working in a more import driven market, with a big budget and trying to spend the money more wisely. As has often been said, managing Manchester United is a different skill to managing West Brom. being good at managing West Brom might not equip you for top end management. To a lesser degree we saw that with Moyes.
Walsh has not been at a club showered with money by any stretch, but his budgets at Leicester would still have had more in common with our position that Monchi's experience. They will also know the culture of England, how managers operate etc etc. So overall a very decent appointment.
The questions marks there may be for me. Firstly consistency, that is what marked Monchi out. Walsh did fantastically last season but that is different to doing it over a prolonged period. Monchi has shown that ability though few others can match him.
Perhaps more importantly I do worry slightly he seems to be more geared towards the scouting. I think our new DOF remit will have to be wider than that. In simple terms he is going to have to be able to set budgets based on quite a fluid financial situation in consultation with other board members. We basically don't generate a lot of money, but will have a lot of money from a benefactor yet may fall foul of regulations. This means we have to tread cleverly while minimising the contractions by increasing revenue. This is not a straightforward job and will need someone with ability to manage the club more broadly than just being able to spot a player (which seems to be his major skill)>
However overall very exciting. Leicester fans seem gutted he is going which is a good sign. He is the one constant they've had as they've made their way to the pinnacle of English football. Also for Everton to take Leicesters DOF and Southamptons manager would be a very strong statement.
Walter Ego
Player Valuation: £30m
Steve Walsh sounds a great idea. I won't pretend to know how it all works but you'd think he's there for the scouting side of a DF only.
I'm not sure if a head of recruitment role can be properly considered in those terms. Immediately successful transfers aside (Kante being the obvious example), signings Walsh oversaw that combined to great success last season (Vardy, Mahrez, Drinkwater, Albrighton etc.) were all made at least two years before Leicester won the title. That certainly suggests good, considered work over a long period.
I agree with you re. the job role, though: Monchie's status is built around the very impressive list of signings and the resale profits they made. Sevilla's model, if we're inclined to believe rumours of Moshiri's ambition and resources, isn't the one we will be trying to emulate.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
I think Walsh's role is incorporated under the "Assistant Manager" title currently at Leicester. If this goes through, he will at least in theory have a grander-sounding title, the term "Sporting Director" seems to have been used frequently in media articles linking Everton to a DOF appointment, so perhaps this may be what the official job title is. Not that it matters hugely, but I have found the title "Director of Football" to be a little silly.
I do wonder to what extent the club want someone to fully encompass this role outside that of whats commonly seen as a "Chief Scout" job. There is much more to the job than that, in both strictly football-related activities and football business.
Both The Express and The Echo reporting of this seem to suggest the appointment will be made with Koeman's approval, but also that Koeman played a key role in identifying Walsh. Whilst it's certainly welcome that Koeman is comfortable under this structure and presumably happy to work with Walsh, the chain of command has to be clear. I think now that Koeman and Walsh will essentially be equals reporting to the CEO or perhaps Ryazantsev in the interim period since it appears Elstone doesn't have a great deal to do anymore.
At many clubs, the DOF ("Manager") has seniority over the Head Coach ("Trainer" in the Bundesliga) and may have a seat on the board. In addition, the Head Coach may report directly to the Manager who acts as an overall football consultant to the board. He may also have a role in hiring and firing of coaches.
If Walsh ultimately improves our scouting network/system and this is tied into visible success and saving money, he will be well worth it. I am not too bothered just curious and intrigued as to the internal structuring of this appointment and who will do what.
I do wonder to what extent the club want someone to fully encompass this role outside that of whats commonly seen as a "Chief Scout" job. There is much more to the job than that, in both strictly football-related activities and football business.
Both The Express and The Echo reporting of this seem to suggest the appointment will be made with Koeman's approval, but also that Koeman played a key role in identifying Walsh. Whilst it's certainly welcome that Koeman is comfortable under this structure and presumably happy to work with Walsh, the chain of command has to be clear. I think now that Koeman and Walsh will essentially be equals reporting to the CEO or perhaps Ryazantsev in the interim period since it appears Elstone doesn't have a great deal to do anymore.
At many clubs, the DOF ("Manager") has seniority over the Head Coach ("Trainer" in the Bundesliga) and may have a seat on the board. In addition, the Head Coach may report directly to the Manager who acts as an overall football consultant to the board. He may also have a role in hiring and firing of coaches.
If Walsh ultimately improves our scouting network/system and this is tied into visible success and saving money, he will be well worth it. I am not too bothered just curious and intrigued as to the internal structuring of this appointment and who will do what.
So Walsh or horse Cruyff? Got no Idea of either tbh but I trust moshri here
I think it's worth pointing out that all of those signings were very cheap, which is something that would concern me slightly. Not that signing good players for cheap is a bad thing obviously, but the slightly 'bigger' transfers (Inler, Kramaric, Benaloune etc) haven't really worked out for them. If Moshiri's plans are as grand as we're led to believe, I'm not sure we're going to be in for League 1 strikers and players released by other premier league clubs, so it's the bigger transfers that are going to be important. There has to be a bit of doubt regarding his record in that sense.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
as discussed a few pages back he was at chelsea when they brought the likes of zola and drogba in. so has history with big expensive players and also the cheap under the radar signings.
Duncan Disordely
Player Valuation: £35m
royalbalou
Player Valuation: £20m
Apparently Steve Walsh has agreed terms to become our DOF - according to someone from TPF
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