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I worked 84 hours the other week, no over time too.

But then Im happy in my job, most of the time anyway.

Royal Mail has [Poor language removed] over its staff for years, I have a mate who was a postie for years. If it takes some of the profits from the company and into the hands of the employees then Im all for it. Crozier's reputation precedes him, you could have seen that one coming Pete!
 
Am in a bit of a strange position (but that's my sex-life for you) and am also in a bit of a strange position in that, despite being heavily pro-union, I've never had the opportunity to be in one mainly because I used to be one of the much-derided 'Public Sector' workers.

A couple of things really wind me up about this type of debate. Firstly, the "oh, it's always the Public Sector workers that cause a fuss"... mainly, iit's because they have a tendency to get shat upon from the greatest of heights because those that employ them know that a vast majority are motivated more by a sense of duty than money (why else would a Nurse work in the NHS rather than BUPA, where people very rarely spit at or punch you, or if they do, it's a far better class of spit).

The other facet of this is the "Well, why did you sign up then?". Maybe, just [Poor language removed] maybe, they signed up to do a job that they felt made a [Poor language removed] defference.... their reward for this shouldn't be having to smile while they get crapped on, they should have a means of making their point.

Another point of note is the distinction between the Public Sector (ie all nationalised concerns) and Public Services (Police, Armed Forces, Prison Service) who are not allowed Union representation having Federations, Assocations, or [Poor language removed] all, and whose rights to withdraw labour are limited to 'Working to rule' or going to jail.

Personally, I don't see the Royal Mail situation as a Public Service issue, it has Private competitors in the market place. One of two things will happen.... either private mail will increase in price to reflect it's market value... probably Pete's £1 for a first class delivery (there's your market forces) or the government will end up paying DHL, RM et al a subsidy to be able to employ staff on a competitive wage, while maintaining the artificially low cost of mail (like how the railways were supposed to work.
 
blair, can you elaborate on the public services who are limited to "working to rule"

does that include firemen?
 
Am in a bit of a strange position (but that's my sex-life for you) and am also in a bit of a strange position in that, despite being heavily pro-union, I've never had the opportunity to be in one mainly because I used to be one of the much-derided 'Public Sector' workers.

A couple of things really wind me up about this type of debate. Firstly, the "oh, it's always the Public Sector workers that cause a fuss"... mainly, iit's because they have a tendency to get shat upon from the greatest of heights because those that employ them know that a vast majority are motivated more by a sense of duty than money (why else would a Nurse work in the NHS rather than BUPA, where people very rarely spit at or punch you, or if they do, it's a far better class of spit).

The other facet of this is the "Well, why did you sign up then?". Maybe, just [Poor language removed] maybe, they signed up to do a job that they felt made a [Poor language removed] defference.... their reward for this shouldn't be having to smile while they get crapped on, they should have a means of making their point.

Another point of note is the distinction between the Public Sector (ie all nationalised concerns) and Public Services (Police, Armed Forces, Prison Service) who are not allowed Union representation having Federations, Assocations, or [Poor language removed] all, and whose rights to withdraw labour are limited to 'Working to rule' or going to jail.

Personally, I don't see the Royal Mail situation as a Public Service issue, it has Private competitors in the market place. One of two things will happen.... either private mail will increase in price to reflect it's market value... probably Pete's £1 for a first class delivery (there's your market forces) or the government will end up paying DHL, RM et al a subsidy to be able to employ staff on a competitive wage, while maintaining the artificially low cost of mail (like how the railways were supposed to work.

I hear you mate. Whilst in the Army I worked out my hourly rate. It was less than 2 pound an hour(and I had a very skilled trade, not just general infantry) and holidays/leave were a privilege, they were not compulsory. we were on duty 24 hours a day, and 7 days a week. Bank holidays were something we read about and If we refused to do our duty you were sent to Jail. As I am well aware you know mate.

So will people please stop complaining about how [Poor language removed] hard their jobs are and how hard they have it when they have it a lot easier than the people that ACTUALLY WORK FOR A LIVING. and don't have the pleasure of seeing their families and going home to a safe environment every [Poor language removed] night. Firemen piss me off when it comes to this [Poor language removed].

Well, I know some people will be pissed with this but [Poor language removed] happens, I will get off my soapbox now and think about all the servicemen in combat and war torn environments that do not have the opportunity to read this as they are still working and putting their lives on the line for the good of their nations whether they like it or not. Now that is hard work, and that I will take my hat off to.


Rant over.

*expects grief but is ready*
 
blair, can you elaborate on the public services who are limited to "working to rule"

does that include firemen?

working to rule is pretty much restricted to the Police and Prison Services. Firemen can go on strike: in our previous lives, Gaz and I would have been expected to do a couple of days poxy training and then [Poor language removed] about on crappy green goddesses (1950's fire engines because they didn't trust us not to crash the modern ones) where, quite frankly we'd have been better off pissing on the fires.
To be honest, I don't have a massive problem with the fire service.... on a day to day basis, they can end up putting themselves in danger for the public good. It's not their fault they're on a good screw.... it wasn't too long ago that the military was also rather cushy (barring the occasion posting to the province or the big seaside)
 

first picture is the warrington gas works (the biggest firestation in warrington just over the road!)

the second picture is of jonathan ball and tim parry. - the brigade picked the pieces of them up and washed down their blood from bridge street the saturday before mothers day.

i agree, [Poor language removed] the brigade, only any good when they are saving your house or your family:dodgy:
 
If you don't like the wages and/or conditions, why sign up for the job in the first place? Militant unions tried their best to destroy Britain and are still trying their best in the last vestige of power they have left, the public sector. Lets not try and kid ourselves that the unions are out for 'the people', they're out for themselves, hence why they blocked the pension reforms that the public sector so needed.

I'm sorry, but unions piss me off and the sooner we don't have any left the better this country will be.

sorry bruce, usually respect your views, but this time feel you are way out of touch.
you sound like maggie in the 80's. and imho she ripped the bowels out of the north of the country.
unions were overboard in the 70' and took the piss, but since then bosses took it too far the other way and they took the piss, i just think it needs to even up at little with a (small) swing to the workers
i believe that a happy workforce is more productive.
 
first picture is the warrington gas works (the biggest firestation in warrington just over the road!)

the second picture is of jonathan ball and tim parry. - the brigade picked the pieces of them up and washed down their blood from bridge street the saturday before mothers day.

i agree, [Poor language removed] the brigade, only any good when they are saving your house or your family:dodgy:

But they refuse to do this when they are on strike. Not right in my opinion. As Gordon said, The Army have to cover for them and get stretched even further, and to make matters worse, they will not let the Army use the modern equipment, as they claim it is there's. How the hell does that work??
 
Good replies gentlemen.

Blair and Gaz, I respect the hours the militiary boys/girls put in. A few of my mates have served and I worked in Cyprus for a couple of years, the militiary lads used to take a load of [Poor language removed] over there and provocation from the locals. Whenever anything went off it was always the army boys fault, they could never win.

The vast. vast majority of them used to graft hard and when they got the opporunity go on the swig, I never had any problems with them nor did other people I worked with. I made some good mates with a few of them and learned just how hard a shift they had to put in. They really do serve the country and deserve as much cash as they can get.

My '[Poor language removed] conditions' check list:

Long hours and low pay. X
On call 24/7. X
Work through bank holidays/Xmas day etc X
Dont see family friends X
Get pissed on free beer and ogle loose foreign womenfolk X

It was going so well.
 
But they refuse to do this when they are on strike. Not right in my opinion. As Gordon said, The Army have to cover for them and get stretched even further, and to make matters worse, they will not let the Army use the modern equipment, as they claim it is there's. How the hell does that work??

your talking out of your arse.

the firebrigade personnel dont own the rigs.

when on strike, when there was a life or death incident the FB still did their job.

and if you want to drag the army being stretched into this, why are our armed forces fighting an unwinnable war at the behest of the USA? the amount of money spent by this government on battling on that front could keep numerous closed hospitals open.

like i said, out your arse.
 

oh, orders were what took hundereds of thousands into vietnam by the way, so i dont consider 'orders' an excuse.
 
your talking out of your arse.

the firebrigade personnel dont own the rigs.

when on strike, when there was a life or death incident the FB still did their job.

and if you want to drag the army being stretched into this, why are our armed forces fighting an unwinnable war at the behest of the USA? the amount of money spent by this government on battling on that front could keep numerous closed hospitals open.

like i said, out your arse.

Always glad to hear someone speak so nicely when they are talking bollocks as you are. The service personnel do not choose the wars they do their jobs, so please extract your head from your very tense arsehole. I was in the army and have served as part of our temporary fire service when the fire service chose to strike, so pull your head a little bit harder to extract it from your very tense arsehole. and if you want to accuse me of talking out of my arse then you should not start talking [Poor language removed] about something that you have obviously been educated about by watching the TV. There were many occasions were the stand in fire service had to step in to life and death situations as the so called fire service did not step up. That is actually a very well known fact. FFS, is that the way you deal with things you don't agree with. by starting abuse. I thought you were better than that.
 

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