Blue 1
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Haha yes I suppose it does. Trump is the first and Clinton the second.
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POTUS 2016
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Haha yes I suppose it does. Trump is the first and Clinton the second.
Much wisdom from Peggy Noonan here:
I keep thinking of how Donald Trump got to be the very likely Republican nominee. There are many answers and reasons, but my thoughts keep revolving around the idea of protection. It is a theme that has been something of a preoccupation in this space over the years, but I think I am seeing it now grow into an overall political dynamic throughout the West.
There are the protected and the unprotected. The protected make public policy. The unprotected live in it. The unprotected are starting to push back, powerfully.
The protected are the accomplished, the secure, the successful—those who have power or access to it. They are protected from much of the roughness of the world. More to the point, they are protected from the world they have created. Again, they make public policy and have for some time...
...In wise governments the top is attentive to the realities of the lives of normal people, and careful about their anxieties. That’s more or less how America used to be. There didn’t seem to be so much distance between the top and the bottom.
Now is seems the attitude of the top half is: You’re on your own. Get with the program, little racist.
Social philosophers are always saying the underclass must re-moralize. Maybe it is the overclass that must re-moralize.
I don’t know if the protected see how serious this moment is, or their role in it.
I recommend you read the whole thing:
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=296&mn=17577&pt=msg&mid=15791036
I keep thinking of how Donald Trump got to be the very likely Republican nominee. There are many answers and reasons, but my thoughts keep revolving around the idea of protection. It is a theme that has been something of a preoccupation in this space over the years, but I think I am seeing it now grow into an overall political dynamic throughout the West.
There are the protected and the unprotected. The protected make public policy. The unprotected live in it. The unprotected are starting to push back, powerfully.
The protected are the accomplished, the secure, the successful—those who have power or access to it. They are protected from much of the roughness of the world. More to the point, they are protected from the world they have created. Again, they make public policy and have for some time...
...In wise governments the top is attentive to the realities of the lives of normal people, and careful about their anxieties. That’s more or less how America used to be. There didn’t seem to be so much distance between the top and the bottom.
Now is seems the attitude of the top half is: You’re on your own. Get with the program, little racist.
Social philosophers are always saying the underclass must re-moralize. Maybe it is the overclass that must re-moralize.
I don’t know if the protected see how serious this moment is, or their role in it.
I recommend you read the whole thing:
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=296&mn=17577&pt=msg&mid=15791036
BigDunc'sFod
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I read it. She sounds like a bell to be honest. Who is she? Conveniently ignored that many are against leaving the EU for very valid reasons, and most of the reasons for leaving are being pushed by "the protected", ironically. Also wrong about the Cologne incident as has been shown since.
She is a columnist for the WSJ, and would be a true Tory if in the UK, as you have sussed. I understand I'm on the right edge of the world in here politically, but that doesn't really bother me. Ask those who know me best in this forum if I really care what people think about that. I came to where I am from a place close to where you are, so I know how the arguments work. I just want to make people think about what they believe and why they believe it. That's what I did to get from where I was to where I am. I've had a lot of years to work on it.
What is it exactly that makes her sound like a bell to you? I'd like to know what it is that hits the "it burns! it burns!" spot.
I read her piece with great sympathy for those unprotected, knowing that I have moved from the unprotected to the protected in my lifetime, and knowing that the unprotected are getting it from both ends. I was a long-time leftist with the standard leanings you'd see among those of my age and class until I saw that we were evolving into a nomenklatura such as she describes, living off the efforts of everybody else. You learn a lot when you see how the sausage is made from the inside of the packing house, and I've seen a lot of sausage get made.
Rook
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20 years ago she was Bernie Sanders. However all the "very serious people" who "know how to win elections" have scrubbed all the liberalism out of her to the point that she's now Margaret Thatcher. Now she's going get demolished by a Republician who will pummel her with policies that democrats once had.
Matt Tabbi's article on what is going on is really telling of what's going on
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224?page=6
SpurtingLesbian
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is the a real Trump quote or just bad grammar from the Indy? (hard to tell with Trump)
This may not end well for Marco
kithnou
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Lost the plot. Finished.
is the a real Trump quote or just bad grammar from the Indy? (hard to tell with Trump)
ew. There's a word for that, and I'm happy to have forgotten what it is.
rascal
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It's like that Simpson's episode with the two Martians
Read the article and you're right it is a great idea to read those you disagree with because occasionally you'll be challenged. Unfortunately this article has just entrenched my beliefs that we are usually not dealing with people who are misled but people who just don't care.
I've a fair amount of respect for the few posters on here I've read who believe that the well being of 'the protected' is what they're concerned about and that it is just how the world is. Those who claim they are on the right wing for the benefit of 'the unprotected' tend to do exactly what the author of the article does; identify an issue that will strike an emotional raw nerve with those who are under pressure and need answers, find an easy if illogical answer and make sure this answer is promoted as the only one whilst shutting avenues to any alternative view. Then add to the environment that created the initial pressures while you have your scapegoat in the public arena.
There is a truth hidden in her article in that the right wing will be the ones seeing much more open borders when it's clear business demands it. Those who want this for humanitarian reasons will be more and more isolated in their views by cynics like this author.
SpurtingLesbian
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Biff Tannen was based on Donald Trump, Back To The Future writer confirms
By Matt Wayt
Oct 22, 2015 1:00 PM
Back To The Future Part II Bob Gale, the writer of Back To The Future Part II, has confirmed that the villain, Biff Tannen, was based on another power-hungry loudmouth with terrible hair, Donald Trump. The Daily Beast presents some of the similarities between Trump and the version of Tannen in Part II who essentially rules Hill Valley in a darker, alternate 1985: “He’s been handed the keys to fortune, he’s unrepentantly used that fortune exclusively for himself, and he’s even become a public advocate for plastic surgery for women in his family.” And, of course, Tannen uses his power to force himself into politics and turn Marty’s home into a gun-addled (but immigrant-free) wasteland.
When the Beast asked Gale if the similarities were intentional, he answered, “Are you kidding? … Yeah. That’s what we were thinking about.” He continued, “You watch Part II again and there’s a scene where Marty confronts Biff in his office and there’s a huge portrait of Biff on the wall behind Biff, and there’s one moment where Biff kind of stands up and he takes exactly the same pose as the portrait? Yeah.” Gale stopped just short of saying, “So obviously, he must be stopped.” Perhaps Gale is worried that Trump has a time machine and will go back in time to kill his father and buy his mother fake breasts.
Since the Back To The Future films are so well loved across America, whenever you encounter someone who is voting for Trump, just say, “You mean you’re voting for Biff?” That should sober them. But if it doesn’t, someone should change the text on the teleprompter during Trump’s next speech and make him to say, “Two McFlys with the same gun.” That’s the kind of evidence no one could ignore
By Matt Wayt
Oct 22, 2015 1:00 PM
Back To The Future Part II Bob Gale, the writer of Back To The Future Part II, has confirmed that the villain, Biff Tannen, was based on another power-hungry loudmouth with terrible hair, Donald Trump. The Daily Beast presents some of the similarities between Trump and the version of Tannen in Part II who essentially rules Hill Valley in a darker, alternate 1985: “He’s been handed the keys to fortune, he’s unrepentantly used that fortune exclusively for himself, and he’s even become a public advocate for plastic surgery for women in his family.” And, of course, Tannen uses his power to force himself into politics and turn Marty’s home into a gun-addled (but immigrant-free) wasteland.
When the Beast asked Gale if the similarities were intentional, he answered, “Are you kidding? … Yeah. That’s what we were thinking about.” He continued, “You watch Part II again and there’s a scene where Marty confronts Biff in his office and there’s a huge portrait of Biff on the wall behind Biff, and there’s one moment where Biff kind of stands up and he takes exactly the same pose as the portrait? Yeah.” Gale stopped just short of saying, “So obviously, he must be stopped.” Perhaps Gale is worried that Trump has a time machine and will go back in time to kill his father and buy his mother fake breasts.
Since the Back To The Future films are so well loved across America, whenever you encounter someone who is voting for Trump, just say, “You mean you’re voting for Biff?” That should sober them. But if it doesn’t, someone should change the text on the teleprompter during Trump’s next speech and make him to say, “Two McFlys with the same gun.” That’s the kind of evidence no one could ignore
dead_soft
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He didn't say anything about 'it burns! It burns' just that he thought the writer came across poorly. I agree, it's not a brilliantly sourced or written article and, I have to say your comment doesn't make a great deal of sense or actually any real point.
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