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I think at this stage we are looking at the rest of this season behind closed doors and AT LEAST the first half of next season being the same.

If they confirmed it would be at the normal venues rather than neutral venues i think people could get their heads round it a bit more.
 

They’re also going to have to cancel L1/2. I suppose they could try and impose a PPG solution on those 2 leagues, and hope the clubs concerned don’t have the financial wherewithal to sue them.

The FA are merely wanting to try and keep UEFA and the EFL happy, by trying to strong arm the PL into a definitive conclusion that resolves the European and relegation places.

Only PPG will never fly in the PL, not least because dependant on the model used there’s 2 different outcomes. So if the FA tried pushing the PL to vote for one of the two PPG models or nothing, then in essence they’d be asking the 20 PL clubs to decide who they wanted to relegate, as it’d be a straight choice between West Ham and Bournemouth. Legally they’d be tied in knots in court if that was the scenario.

Yes I mean (mainly Kopite) journalists are assuming "sporting merit" automatically means relegation and promotion. Yet Holland have finished the season with sporting merit, and there's no title or relegation. Belgium then same, no relegation, only a title handed out to a team that had mathematically clinched the league in the conventional season. UEFA have accepted both of these as sporting merit.

France have had relegation and the title handed out, and that too is sporting merit (though it looks the most likely to be challenged in court). The FA as you say have cancelled all leagues below tier, with no title or relegation and sporting merit. We obviously don't know what they do with the EFL, but I suspect the EFL will have title winners as it suits them to have their members pushed to the PL.

The point is though, sporting merit is a broad phrase in which there are many intepretations. It does not mean they've agreed to give the title to Liverpool. If they wanted to do that for certain, they would come out and say it, yet they haven't.

The reality is, there will be a vote on the teams to decide what happens. I thought Liverpool would have long ago ditched themselves from the relegation issue. Essentially insisted and the title had to be dealt with seperately. The fact Liverpool fans and outriders are slaughtering the relegation teams publicly, suggests to me that they are aware this will not be allowed to happen, so they have to break their resolve to be relegated. We will see I suppose.

As for PPG, I've seen about 5 different teams relegated on different projections. Sometimes they are relegation on goal difference. I mean who do you relegate if one side has say 36.1 points but a superior difference to the side who has 36.3 points. It's just a legal minefield. So lets see. I'd try to avoid what the journalists are saying too much. Most of them have told us, on at least 5 occasions Liverpool would be imminently handed the title, and it hasn't happened yet. The longer it goes on, the more twitchy they must get, as it appears the less important it is.
 
I think at this stage we are looking at the rest of this season behind closed doors and AT LEAST the first half of next season being the same.

If they confirmed it would be at the normal venues rather than neutral venues i think people could get their heads round it a bit more.

One point I'd make with this. Clearly, empty stadiums and neutral grounds is contentious. Would it be easier to secure agreement if it were a fresh season, without the baggage of this season?
 
First of all, a lot of what we have been reading about football coming back has been rumours and fake news so in general only the clubs really know what's actually being discussed..

Plus a lot of that fake news is coming from people who need it back, such as journalists, the bookies, the clubs, Talk Sport... they need this, meanwhile in the real world, the one for example Danny Rose lives in, the last thing we need is the PL starting right now.
 
It’ll get null and voided, they’re just kicking the can down the road now. A lot of players seem against restarting, they can’t end it on current placings and relegate teams because it’ll end in lawsuits all over the place, ending it on ppg will go down the same route because not every team has played the same number of games. Only option is to erase this season from memory and start again
 

It’ll get null and voided, they’re just kicking the can down the road now. A lot of players seem against restarting, they can’t end it on current placings and relegate teams because it’ll end in lawsuits all over the place, ending it on ppg will go down the same route because not every team has played the same number of games. Only option is to erase this season from memory and start again

The only way this is going to end satisfactory for all concerned is bcd at own grounds , then teams get there money pretty much in full , no arguments over neutral venues and all positions in the league where they should be . I do think people are underestimating the impact this will have on clubs , cancelling will cost a fortune , next season bcd will cost a fortune
I do think some people think because we have a wealthy owner we are ok , any billionaire having to foot a 2/3 million pound bill every week is soon going to get worried .
 
The only way this is going to end satisfactory for all concerned is bcd at own grounds , then teams get there money pretty much in full , no arguments over neutral venues and all positions in the league where they should be . I do think people are underestimating the impact this will have on clubs , cancelling will cost a fortune , next season bcd will cost a fortune
I do think some people think because we have a wealthy owner we are ok , any billionaire having to foot a 2/3 million pound bill every week is soon going to get worried .
Just can’t see them being able to restart football again before July/august no matter how much they try to make it happen, infection rates are still way toI high and after ending the lockdown this week I’d put money on there being a big spike in the next fortnight.
Only way this season gets finished is if it gets pushed back and resumes deep into summer which then would have a big knock on effect for next season.
 
Now you can travel anywhere in England from Wednesday. If they let the teams play behind closed doors at there own grounds.

It now means when Liverpool win the league all the weird fans they have from outside of the city can all flood to Liverpool to celebrate. That’s why I would rather them just stop it. Even if that means giving them the title so be it.
 
The only way this is going to end satisfactory for all concerned is bcd at own grounds , then teams get there money pretty much in full , no arguments over neutral venues and all positions in the league where they should be . I do think people are underestimating the impact this will have on clubs , cancelling will cost a fortune , next season bcd will cost a fortune
I do think some people think because we have a wealthy owner we are ok , any billionaire having to foot a 2/3 million pound bill every week is soon going to get worried .

There's no way it'll be resolved either way as the teams at the bottom have been given a lifeline and they've going to hold on to it. Those clubs have no intention of kicking another ball. I'm sure there may be a couple of other clubs who have the same thoughts for different reasons but they'll all be looking after themselves.

As are the PL players who fear they could be EFL players next year.

If BCD in home stadiums get's agreed, I still think the clubs will find another reason to vote against it. Why should Norwich have no fans for very winnable home gams against us, Burnley, West Ham, Southampton and Brighton when other teams have had that advantage. The players, with the support of their clubs, especially those in risk of relegation, will see it off if the clubs don't. That's before we factor in all the other issues.....of which, they're are far too many to mention.

It's done, this is all just lip service now.
 

The only way this is going to end satisfactory for all concerned is bcd at own grounds , then teams get there money pretty much in full , no arguments over neutral venues and all positions in the league where they should be . I do think people are underestimating the impact this will have on clubs , cancelling will cost a fortune , next season bcd will cost a fortune
I do think some people think because we have a wealthy owner we are ok , any billionaire having to foot a 2/3 million pound bill every week is soon going to get worried .

Agreed. BCD is going to be the norm this and next season regardless. Next season isnt going to kick off as normal now, we know that.

Not ideal and as said above teams will feel its unfair to play without fans but keeping it as "normal" as possible now is the only way and how its going to have to be, sadly, next season too.

Neutral venues must be scrapped and teams must still be able to play at home and some away.
 

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