Project restart discussion.

[Homer Jay]

An explanation from an SSN reporter

that’s not an explanation, that’s absolute drivel of the highest order. An infection can spread in numerous ways with bodily fluids I.e sweat being a pretty good transmitter. Again I’ll ask the question, if we are now being told that it’s safe to be around an infected person for up to 15 minutes (it’s not) without risk of catching the infection then why weren’t loved ones able to be with their dying partners and relatives in their darkest hour.

shame on you or anyone else defending these decisions.

 

[gwladysnight]

Good god. A test doesnt even mitigate. Do you even know what a test is? It offers no protection. It's not even attempting to offer protection.

In this context Mitigation is defined as the effort to reduce loss of life by lessening the impact of a pandemic. Of course testing followed up by isolation offers protection. It means people who are contagious are removed from circulation. That prevents the spread of contagious diseases. If you want to see a good example of testing and isolation working then South Korea is a good example.

If testing offers the general population offers no protection then why have the World Health Organisation campaigned for it and why has there been such a focus on it.

Spain and Italys numbers are miles better than the UK too. Spain had a day with bo deaths. We recently had a da with more deaths than every other EU member combined. Let that sink in when evaluating the scale of calamity this has been from our government. More deaths than the entire EU countries combined.

That's why its laughable to compare us to any other country. When Spain, Italy (or laughably) Germany have a day where they have more deaths than the rest of the UK combined then we can talk. Until then, just keep spitting your idiocy.

Again you are posting disinformation about a pandemic. The numbers in this Country are truly appalling. That is pretty irrelevant though when we are talking about restarting Football. The vast majority of deaths have been of older people and tragically in care homes. Please explain what relevance that has to fit, young healthy individuals who are heavily tested taking part in a game out in the open air.

Oh and the UK death toll is much worse than France, Holland and Belgium. The ONS has us on over 60k. The only country that's comparable are the one where the president told them to drink bleach. That's the company oir government is in, however much you try to spin your way out of it that we are actually equivalent to Germany.

I do await your next batch of nonsense. Maybe you can make a case for drinking bleach is safe, to go alongside your ridiculous position that social distancing is unnecessary. Should we be shaking hands with people who had it?

If you are going to pretend to be an expert then at least have the decency to do some research. The ONS figures are for excess deaths. That is where you compare the total numbers of deaths over the last 5 years. Your problem with doing that is that excess deaths are actually lower at the moment than for the corresponding period over the last 5 years.

Then your next misinformation is regarding Death tolls. There are two main ways of doing this. Probably the most accurate is to measure death rate per million population. If you go by this method then the figures are UK 614 per million, France 450 per million population the caveat here is that France does not include people who died at home from COVID-19 the UK does.

Netherlands has only 354 deaths per million which sounds good, but they do not include figures from people who die at home and because of their shortage of ICU beds nationally they only have 1150. So they have a fragility metric which means old people generally do not get sent to ICU units. So the people most likely to die are not included in the figures.

Belgium has 833 deaths per million population. So to say the UK has a far higher death total is a lie. So please stop with the dangerous disinformation.

The second methodology is just to record the total number of deaths. However, you couldn't even get that right. The UK is not second in total deaths we are third behind the USA and Brazil.

Then we come on to your nonsense about drinking bleach. That is a bigoted idiot ignoring the science and the medical advice and spouting ignorant nonsense. I hate to say it but that is exactly what you are doing.

 

[gwladysnight]

that’s not an explanation, that’s absolute drivel of the highest order. An infection can spread in numerous ways with bodily fluids I.e sweat being a pretty good transmitter. Again I’ll ask the question, if we are now being told that it’s safe to be around an infected person for up to 15 minutes (it’s not) without risk of catching the infection then why weren’t loved ones able to be with their dying partners and relatives in their darkest hour.

shame on you or anyone else defending these decisions.

That is the whole basis of the NHS app and the test and trace programme we have in operation. It is science based and backed by SAGE.

 

[Homer Jay]

That is the whole basis of the NHS app and the test and trace programme we have in operation. It is science based and backed by SAGE.

yes but those guidelines are for when you’re out on a daily stroll or pop in to your local supermarket etc. Where you are highly unlikely to come in to contact with somebody that’s rubbing their sweat directly on to you.

Let’s play devils advocate here and say that a spurs player contracts the virus, there’s no way of even telling if it came via this friendly match but would that not at least raise an eyebrow to you and your fellow gobshites that maybe just maybe it isn’t really a good idea to be playing football right now?

 

[Seathestars]

that’s not an explanation, that’s absolute drivel of the highest order. An infection can spread in numerous ways with bodily fluids I.e sweat being a pretty good transmitter. Again I’ll ask the question, if we are now being told that it’s safe to be around an infected person for up to 15 minutes (it’s not) without risk of catching the infection then why weren’t loved ones able to be with their dying partners and relatives in their darkest hour.

shame on you or anyone else defending these decisions.

I find it incredible to be honest. A virus that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and caused untold grief and sadness.
The PL are prepared to put others through that risk

 

[catcherintherye]

In this context Mitigation is defined as the effort to reduce loss of life by lessening the impact of a pandemic. Of course testing followed up by isolation offers protection. It means people who are contagious are removed from circulation. That prevents the spread of contagious diseases. If you want to see a good example of testing and isolation working then South Korea is a good example.

If testing offers the general population offers no protection then why have the World Health Organisation campaigned for it and why has there been such a focus on it.



Again you are posting disinformation about a pandemic. The numbers in this Country are truly appalling. That is pretty irrelevant though when we are talking about restarting Football. The vast majority of deaths have been of older people and tragically in care homes. Please explain what relevance that has to fit, young healthy individuals who are heavily tested taking part in a game out in the open air.



If you are going to pretend to be an expert then at least have the decency to do some research. The ONS figures are for excess deaths. That is where you compare the total numbers of deaths over the last 5 years. Your problem with doing that is that excess deaths are actually lower at the moment than for the corresponding period over the last 5 years.

Then your next misinformation is regarding Death tolls. There are two main ways of doing this. Probably the most accurate is to measure death rate per million population. If you go by this method then the figures are UK 614 per million, France 450 per million population the caveat here is that France does not include people who died at home from COVID-19 the UK does.

Netherlands has only 354 deaths per million which sounds good, but they do not include figures from people who die at home and because of their shortage of ICU beds nationally they only have 1150. So they have a fragility metric which means old people generally do not get sent to ICU units. So the people most likely to die are not included in the figures.

Belgium has 833 deaths per million population. So to say the UK has a far higher death total is a lie. So please stop with the dangerous disinformation.

The second methodology is just to record the total number of deaths. However, you couldn't even get that right. The UK is not second in total deaths we are third behind the USA and Brazil.

Then we come on to your nonsense about drinking bleach. That is a bigoted idiot ignoring the science and the medical advice and spouting ignorant nonsense. I hate to say it but that is exactly what you are doing.

A test does not provide any protection against catching the pandemic. Zilch. It is useful in informing a response to stop it then being further spread.

Young fit people spread the virus which then kills older people (but also people who arent old), the sick, the frail, those with breathing difficulty, members of the BAME community. Having younger people needless catch the virus is a stupid tactic in trying to control the virus.

I know what the ONS is. Its the good standard of deaths, as opposed to our own governments doctored figures. We are 2nd worst in the world. Dont listen to the government telling you otherwise.

The ONS has not shown any week, since the virus came where we are below the 5 year average. Can you substantiate that?

More people have died in tbe UK than Belgium. Simple facts.

Anyway rather than just continually spouting nonsense, if you could show me where the ONS shows we are below the 5 year average, I'd appreciate that. Unfortunately, you're so dense that you cant read simple numbers. That ignorance shines through every post it seems.

 

[catcherintherye]

I find it incredible to be honest. A virus that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and caused untold grief and sadness.
The PL are prepared to put others through that risk

You can only hope, when the dust settles and the criminal enquiries come, that some involved in football face justice for what theyve done.

 

[BlueStevie35]

that’s not an explanation, that’s absolute drivel of the highest order. An infection can spread in numerous ways with bodily fluids I.e sweat being a pretty good transmitter. Again I’ll ask the question, if we are now being told that it’s safe to be around an infected person for up to 15 minutes (it’s not) without risk of catching the infection then why weren’t loved ones able to be with their dying partners and relatives in their darkest hour.

shame on you or anyone else defending these decisions.

Did I say I was defending it? Someone else asked about how or if the players were isolating and I found that on Twitter

 

[B17BLG]

That is the whole basis of the NHS app and the test and trace programme we have in operation. It is science based and backed by SAGE.

Ahhh the science. The same science that left us out of lockdown a week too long and cost 50% more deaths than it needed to.

I know your arguement has been about BAME and them being poor. But are you for or against the restart, I dont remember reading that in your posts?

 

[toffeejack]

that’s not an explanation, that’s absolute drivel of the highest order. An infection can spread in numerous ways with bodily fluids I.e sweat being a pretty good transmitter. Again I’ll ask the question, if we are now being told that it’s safe to be around an infected person for up to 15 minutes (it’s not) without risk of catching the infection then why weren’t loved ones able to be with their dying partners and relatives in their darkest hour.

shame on you or anyone else defending these decisions.

There's no reasonable answer for it mate, as you point out, an utter joke and they're just making it up. Give it a couple of weeks and the players will be celebrating as normal, nothing will be done about it. Loads of players will get the virus and the FA will say, ah we've started now, we have to finish it. Teams will just have to be without all those players Ill with the virus.

They will have got out of jail if nobody dies from this.

 

[riddick]

that’s not an explanation, that’s absolute drivel of the highest order. An infection can spread in numerous ways with bodily fluids I.e sweat being a pretty good transmitter. Again I’ll ask the question, if we are now being told that it’s safe to be around an infected person for up to 15 minutes (it’s not) without risk of catching the infection then why weren’t loved ones able to be with their dying partners and relatives in their darkest hour.

shame on you or anyone else defending these decisions.

Basically so if an infected person coughs for 5 minutes on someone else it doesn't matter. But FIFTEEN minutes? That's important.

 

[gwladysnight]

A test does not provide any protection against catching the pandemic. Zilch. It is useful in informing a response to stop it then being further spread.

Testing as many people as possible and isolating those who test positive means you remove huge numbers of people who are contagious. That means you vastly reduce the community transmission rate. That is the way to contain the virus.

Young fit people spread the virus which then kills older people (but also people who arent old), the sick, the frail, those with breathing difficulty, members of the BAME community. Having younger people needless catch the virus is a stupid tactic in trying to control the virus.

This is where you absolutely breathtaking lack of medical knowledge becomes dangerous. Younger people tend to have mild symptoms or are totally asymptomatic. That is the whole point of mass testing. You identify the young healthy people who would have unwittingly passed the virus on to more vulnerable people.

Furthermore, young healthy people who self-isolate catching the virus is a very good thing. It means we increase immunity levels, it means they can donate blood plasma that can help more vulnerable people. It also improves the chances of a vaccine being developed. Finally, it adds data for the people researching the virus.

I know what the ONS is. Its the good standard of deaths, as opposed to our own governments doctored figures. We are 2nd worst in the world. Dont listen to the government telling you otherwise.

The ONS has not shown any week, since the virus came where we are below the 5 year average. Can you substantiate that?

Again you show a lack of knowledge the ONS statistics are based on the date the death is registered not when it occurred so there is a lag. The latest stats that have been published only show deaths registered up to the 29th of May.

More people have died in tbe UK than Belgium. Simple facts.

Anyway rather than just continually spouting nonsense, if you could show me where the ONS shows we are below the 5 year average, I'd appreciate that. Unfortunately, you're so dense that you cant read simple numbers. That ignorance shines through every post it seems.

You talk about reading simple numbers yet want to compare total numbers of coronavirus deaths of Belgium who has a population of 11m with the UK who has a population of 67m. I think you have just proved how dense you are.

Talking about dense in the real world the word is 'the' not tbe and you spell can't with an apostrophe.

 

[arch stanton]

Testing as many people as possible and isolating those who test positive means you remove huge numbers of people who are contagious. That means you vastly reduce the community transmission rate. That is the way to contain the virus.



This is where you absolutely breathtaking lack of medical knowledge becomes dangerous. Younger people tend to have mild symptoms or are totally asymptomatic. That is the whole point of mass testing. You identify the young healthy people who would have unwittingly passed the virus on to more vulnerable people.

Furthermore, young healthy people who self-isolate catching the virus is a very good thing. It means we increase immunity levels, it means they can donate blood plasma that can help more vulnerable people. It also improves the chances of a vaccine being developed. Finally, it adds data for the people researching the virus.



Again you show a lack of knowledge the ONS statistics are based on the date the death is registered not when it occurred so there is a lag. The latest stats that have been published only show deaths registered up to the 29th of May.



You talk about reading simple numbers yet want to compare total numbers of coronavirus deaths of Belgium who has a population of 11m with the UK who has a population of 67m. I think you have just proved how dense you are.

Talking about dense in the real world the word is 'the' not tbe and you spell can't with an apostrophe.

couldn't be arsed reading but if you are being a picky cunning linguist, your text should have read "...deaths of Belgium, which has a population..."

 

[radiostar]

You can only hope, when the dust settles and the criminal enquiries come, that some involved in football face justice for what theyve done.

Not possible, if they restarted the league against government rules then maybe. But the government have told them it's ok to resume so it's not like there's any sort of charges that could be brought up.

Seems the life is slowly resuming now.shops open from tomorrow, filming on soaps and tv resuming, sport coming back albeit without fans (feels that we are the ones that will suffer most)

Kids aren't bothered anymore now either. All the illegal raves that are happening, you'd be forgiven there's any sort of restriction or lockdown going on.

If anyone should face justice it's the actual government although the chances of that happening are absolutely zero.

 

[catcherintherye]

Testing as many people as possible and isolating those who test positive means you remove huge numbers of people who are contagious. That means you vastly reduce the community transmission rate. That is the way to contain the virus.



This is where you absolutely breathtaking lack of medical knowledge becomes dangerous. Younger people tend to have mild symptoms or are totally asymptomatic. That is the whole point of mass testing. You identify the young healthy people who would have unwittingly passed the virus on to more vulnerable people.

Furthermore, young healthy people who self-isolate catching the virus is a very good thing. It means we increase immunity levels, it means they can donate blood plasma that can help more vulnerable people. It also improves the chances of a vaccine being developed. Finally, it adds data for the people researching the virus.



Again you show a lack of knowledge the ONS statistics are based on the date the death is registered not when it occurred so there is a lag. The latest stats that have been published only show deaths registered up to the 29th of May.



You talk about reading simple numbers yet want to compare total numbers of coronavirus deaths of Belgium who has a population of 11m with the UK who has a population of 67m. I think you have just proved how dense you are.

Talking about dense in the real world the word is 'the' not tbe and you spell can't with an apostrophe.

Have you got any evidence to back up the claim that the ONS is showing deaths lower now than the 5 year average? That was the question asked, and avoided by you.

The rest is all nonsense, but I haven't got time to point out each flaw. Let's stick to the one above though, have you got any evidence to back this assertion up? Or is it just more nonsense?