Project restart discussion.

[gwladysnight]

Ahhh the science. The same science that left us out of lockdown a week too long and cost 50% more deaths than it needed to.

I know your arguement has been about BAME and them being poor. But are you for or against the restart, I dont remember reading that in your posts?

I think we need to make a clear distinction here.

If you read the SAGE minutes there was a conflict between the epidemiologists and the behavioural scientists. The epidemiologists wanted an earlier lockdown based on the models produce by Professor Neil Ferguson form Imperial College. Those were the models that showed that between 250,000 and 500,000 would die without lockdown.

The behavioural scientists argued that the public lockdown would only be properly observed for a finite period. I think it is pretty clear both sides had a compelling case. It is abundantly clear that the rules are largely being ignored now.

The person who has stated that the week delay caused a 50% increase in deaths was Neil Ferguson himself. The irony is that he had to resign from SAGE because he failed to continue to observe the lockdown rules. So maybe the behavioural scientists were right all along.

 

[gwladysnight]

Have you got any evidence to back up the claim that the ONS is showing deaths lower now than the 5 year average? That was the question asked, and avoided by you.

The rest is all nonsense, but I haven't got time to point out each flaw. Let's stick to the one above though, have you got any evidence to back this assertion up? Or is it just more nonsense?

I work in a hospital as far back as week 19 which is the week ending May 8th the number of deaths in hospitals was 114 fewer than the seasonal average. So more than 5 weeks ago we had fewer deaths in hospitals than the seasonal average.

 

[catcherintherye]

I work in a hospital as far back as week 19 which is the week ending May 8th the number of deaths in hospitals was 114 fewer than the seasonal average. So more than 5 weeks ago we had fewer deaths in hospitals than the seasonal average.

But that is not what the ONS measures is it, or what you said.

You have said the numbers of registered deaths in the country is below the 5 year average. It's not is it?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

An explanation from an SSN reporter

She's fit her lad

 

[gwladysnight]

But that is not what the ONS measures is it, or what you said.

You have said the numbers of registered deaths in the country is below the 5 year average. It's not is it?

The ONS figures for week 19 showed that 114 fewer people died in hospital than the 5 year seasonal average.

 

[BlueStevie35]

She's fit her lad

Missus still holding out on you?

 

[catcherintherye]

The ONS figures for week 19 showed that 114 fewer people died in hospital than the 5 year seasonal average.

Ah ok, so rather than admit you were wrong, you are going to change the statement without acknowledging it.

You're initial statement made no mention of hospitals only. You stated that across the board, the ONS has shown less deaths. Do you now accept that statement is untrue?

 

[gwladysnight]

Ah ok, so rather than admit you were wrong, you are going to change the statement without acknowledging it.

You're initial statement made no mention of hospitals only. You stated that across the board, the ONS has shown less deaths. Do you now accept that statement is untrue?

I know you have a huge problem with context. So I will spell it out for you the relevant figure in the context of project restart is the number of people dying in hospitals. Unless you can provide evidence of current Premier League footballers dying in nursing homes ?

As for your dense insult earlier. Please consider your use of ok, You're and using the word less instead of fewer.

 

[catcherintherye]

I know you have a huge problem with context. So I will spell it out for you the relevant figure in the context of project restart is the number of people dying in hospitals. Unless you can provide evidence of current Premier League footballers dying in nursing homes ?

As for your dense insult earlier. Please consider your use of ok, You're and using the word less instead of fewer.

I dont really need your advice on context. It would be easier if you stuck to the original question, that the ONS have not shown deaths reduced across the country.

You've tried to change the question, change the subject, ignore it when challenged and throw insults at me. It would be much easier if you could just answer the question.

The context for the post was the ONS deaths in the country. You tried to blag it by saying theyve gone down. You now dont have the humility to acknowledge it was a mistake.

 

[gwladysnight]

that’s not an explanation, that’s absolute drivel of the highest order. An infection can spread in numerous ways with bodily fluids I.e sweat being a pretty good transmitter. Again I’ll ask the question, if we are now being told that it’s safe to be around an infected person for up to 15 minutes (it’s not) without risk of catching the infection then why weren’t loved ones able to be with their dying partners and relatives in their darkest hour.

shame on you or anyone else defending these decisions.

COVID-19 is an upper respiratory infection. It isn't spread by sweat.

The reason loved ones are not allowed to be with their partners and loved ones is because people dying in hospital end up in ICU.

 

[gwladysnight]

I dont really need your advice on context. It would be easier if you stuck to the original question, that the ONS have not shown deaths reduced across the country.

You've tried to change the question, change the subject, ignore it when challenged and throw insults at me. It would be much easier if you could just answer the question.

The context for the post was the ONS deaths in the country. You tried to blag it by saying theyve gone down. You now dont have the humility to acknowledge it was a mistake.

No the context is that excess deaths have overwhelmingly been in older people and more specifically in care home situations. We are specifically talking about project restart here. Deaths in care homes and amongst older people has absolutely nothing to do with young, healthy footballers playing a sport outside.

Even if you don't bother adjusting deaths in hospital based on age then we still have fewer deaths than the seasonal average based on the ONS statistics.

 

[catcherintherye]

No the context is that excess deaths have overwhelmingly been in older people and more specifically in care home situations. We are specifically talking about project restart here. Deaths in care homes and amongst older people has absolutely nothing to do with young, healthy footballers playing a sport outside.

Even if you don't bother adjusting deaths in hospital based on age then we still have fewer deaths than the seasonal average based on the ONS statistics.

I'm sorry but it just reads like a lot of verbiage to avoid answering a simple question, for about the 10th time. Watching you find increasingly elaborative ways of bot answering the question is certainly compelling viewing though.

Have another try, without the Dominic Cummings spin if you could.

 

[fabricsince1985]

COVID-19 is an upper respiratory infection. It isn't spread by sweat.

The reason loved ones are not allowed to be with their partners and loved ones is because people dying in hospital end up in ICU.

No the context is that excess deaths have overwhelmingly been in older people and more specifically in care home situations. We are specifically talking about project restart here. Deaths in care homes and amongst older people has absolutely nothing to do with young, healthy footballers playing a sport outside.

Even if you don't bother adjusting deaths in hospital based on age then we still have fewer deaths than the seasonal average based on the ONS statistics.

This would be a whole lot easier if you just accepted you're argument on the specific ONS statistic you referenced at the outset was incorrect. Whether all or any of the other points you're making are indeed true or not, you're failing miserably at trying to dig yourself out of a hole here.

 

[gwladysnight]

I'm sorry but it just reads like a lot of verbiage to avoid answering a simple question, for about the 10th time. Watching you find increasingly elaborative ways of bot answering the question is certainly compelling viewing though.

Have another try, without the Dominic Cummings spin if you could.

I am not avoiding the question. The ONS data shows that fewer people died in week 19 in hospital than the seasonal average. That is the data. Premier League footballers are tested every week and self-isolate if they test positive. It is incredibly safe for Professional footballers to play football.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Alot of sexual frustration in this thread.

I know the feeling lads.