Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

  • Participation within this subforum is only available to members who have had 5+ posts approved elsewhere.

Project restart discussion.

Status
Not open for further replies.
gwladysnight said:
I am not avoiding the question. The ONS data shows that fewer people died in week 19 in hospital than the seasonal average. That is the data. Premier League footballers are tested every week and self-isolate if they test positive. It is incredibly safe for Professional footballers to play football.
Click to expand...

You've not been asked about hospital data though, as has been noted before. The discussion was about ONS data across the country. To talk about hospitals was your attempt to weasel out.

So let's try again. Without weaseling out, does the ONS show deaths declining in society compared to the 5 year average. Can we have an answer on that?
 
catcherintherye said:
You've not been asked about hospital data though, as has been noted before. The discussion was about ONS data across the country. To talk about hospitals was your attempt to weasel out.

So let's try again. Without weaseling out, does the ONS show deaths declining in society compared to the 5 year average. Can we have an answer on that?
Click to expand...

Of course excess deaths are declining in society compared to the 5 year average.
 
gwladysnight said:
COVID-19 is an upper respiratory infection. It isn't spread by sweat.

The reason loved ones are not allowed to be with their partners and loved ones is because people dying in hospital end up in ICU.
Click to expand...
Relatives have been allowed to be with their loved ones at end of life in care homes / hospital since the government modified the guidelines mid April but unfortunately it was dependant on the availability of adequate PPE which was in short supply in both areas .
 

B17BLG said:
Funny he was active viewing this thread 21 minutes ago which was the very same time you posted the above. And still, no reply!

What a weirdo
Click to expand...

I've asked him about 12 times. He finds a different way each time not to answer the question.

Its not a hard question to answer. The ONS has not shown a reduction in excess deaths since the outbreak. He just lacks the integrity to tell the truth. Watch, he wont do it.
 

catcherintherye said:
You've not been asked about hospital data though, as has been noted before. The discussion was about ONS data across the country. To talk about hospitals was your attempt to weasel out.

So let's try again. Without weaseling out, does the ONS show deaths declining in society compared to the 5 year average. Can we have an answer on that?
Click to expand...

catcherintherye said:
Ok so excess deaths, are lower than the 5 year average?
Click to expand...

Your problem is that you are asking two different questions. The fact that you don't realise that is precisely why you shouldn't be commenting on this situation.
 
B17BLG said:
I see two questions that are the same?

You work in the NHS you say, good grief!
Click to expand...

No the first question is whether ONS shows excess deaths were declining compared to the five year average. Clearly the number of excess deaths is declining. In early April we had a huge number of excess deaths. That number has quite obviously declined as evidenced by every available metric.

The second question is whether excess deaths are above the seasonal average. As I said from week 19 the excess deaths in hospitals are below the seasonal average.

Now you may see that as a cop out but it isn't. The reason why it is more sensible to look at the hospital excess death statistic is that the conditions in care homes has changed. The government have lowered the minimum standards required of care homes. That has lead to an increase in deaths unrelated to coronavirus.

From the latest ONS report.


  • In the period from Week 11 (ending 13 March) to Week 18 (ending 1 May), over 8,000 fewer deaths were registered in hospitals than in the corresponding period in the weekly average, a decrease of 20.9%; in contrast, almost 11,000 more deaths were registered in care homes, an increase of 60.5%, and over 8,000 more deaths were registered in private homes in this period, an increase of 42.6%.
  • The largest increases in non-COVID-19 deaths compared to the five-year average are seen in deaths due to "dementia and Alzheimer disease" and "symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions" (the latter mostly indicating old age and frailty); overall, there have been 5,404 excess deaths (an increase of 52.2% on the five-year average) due to dementia and Alzheimer disease and 1,567 excess deaths (an increase of 77.8%) due to "symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions" from Week 11 (ending 13 March) to Week 18 (ending 1 May), which together comprise two thirds of total non-COVID-19 excess deaths in this period.
  • Deaths due to causes such as asthma and diabetes increased up to the week ending 24 April 2020 and occurred increasingly outside hospital; this could suggest a delay in care for these conditions is leading to an increase in deaths, although this rise could also be related to undiagnosed COVID-19.
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join Grand Old Team to get involved in the Everton discussion. Signing up is quick, easy, and completely free.

Register
Back
Top