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gwladysnight said:
Of course that is what he is doing he is undermining Public Health England's strategy for minimizing deaths and finding a way out of this pandemic crisis. The strategy is very clear and backed by science. It is about testing, tracking and effectively quarantining people who have come in to sustained contact with someone who tests positive.

That is why it so stupid and so dangerous to criticise testing and quarantine just to score points against a rival. It is the kind of misinformation that has lead to Trump supporters refusing to wear masks because of Trump's action. You call the testing and self-isolating strategy stupid and suggest that people are charged after a public inquiry and you are undermining the science. What happens when someone is contacted by a tracer to say they should self-isolate should they follow that advice or should they listen to Catcher.

He says that testing and quarantine doesn't work and that social distancing does. So instead of self-isolating why not just go out and try and stay 2 metres apart. Then you have a contagious person going out and sneezing or coughing and spraying the virus everywhere just because some idiot on the internet is pushing an agenda. That is why a gullible person died from drinking pond cleaner.

Then we have him incorrectly saying that COVID-19 is passed from person to person through bodily fluids like sweat. Maybe he should please explain why NHS workers are taking invasive swabs from the upper respiratory tract when a simple sweat sample would do. Again dangerous disinformation because it leads to people wearing gloves which if not done properly can actually increase the spread of COVID-19.

Probably the worst thing though is Catcher criticising testing of Premier League footballers. Let's forget the hyperbole and look at the benefits of mass testing of asymptomatic people. The first thing is it removes contagious people who would otherwise spread the virus. In effect, it saves lives. Then those players can donate blood plasma, which saves lives. The data these tests provide gives vital information regarding how many asymptomatic cases we have. That will ultimately save lives.

The biggest thing though is that players who test positive will continue to be tested on a weekly basis. Which will give priceless data, regarding continued levels of immunity. I cannot stress how important that will be with regard to a vaccine.

If a football rivalry trumps the above then people need to get their priorities right.
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When you test positive, then days later have a negative test, and the director of football says it's fine to carry on- then they're in the wrong to do- to ignore a previous positive because asymptomatic with a subsequent negative test- then we will end in spread.
The more relevant epidemiology data will come from the antibody testing of NHS workers (I didn't generate antibodies), with the number of people employed by the NHS near a million.
 
barneygumble said:
Can anyone honestly say they are excited about the "restart" later?
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Apart from the teams at the bottom, who'll give it everything for obvious reasons although they'll be massively unfit and miles off the pace they should be at, no one else will be bothered.

The games will just be a load of very easy, strolls around, I was going to say pre season friendlies but I don't think they'll even be that. I don't think they'll be looking to peak for a few months yet so it'll be clubs just going through the motions, getting it out the way so they can then prepare properly for next season.

The spectacle itself will become a bore fest. Germany has from day one, there wasn't even an initial bounce and then fall off...it was just boring straight away. Spain was the same at the weekend.

I'm not ruling out crowds being back in very quickly next season either. I genuinely think this Government could just let everyone back in, in September or very close to that.
 

boris said:
Apart from the teams at the bottom, who'll give it everything for obvious reasons although they'll be massively unfit and miles off the pace they should be at, no one else will be bothered.

The games will just be a load of very easy, strolls around, I was going to say pre season friendlies but I don't think they'll even be that. I don't think they'll be looking to peak for a few months yet so it'll be clubs just going through the motions, getting it out the way so they can then prepare properly for next season.

The spectacle itself will become a bore fest. Germany has from day one, there wasn't even an initial bounce and then fall off...it was just boring straight away. Spain was the same at the weekend.

I'm not ruling out crowds being back in very quickly next season either. I genuinely think this Government could just let everyone back in, in September or very close to that.
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I saw on Germany people hyping up the viewing figures. The first game back was like 1.5m but was available via a freeview box (so wasn't their subscription service. Given almost everyone is in lockdown, desperate for any sport I was really shocked so few watched it. The consumer now rarely goes more a couple of weeks without live football, yet 3 months later that was all it could muster. It's peak viewing was beaten by a repeat of midsummer murders to give an idea of perspective.

I think the viewing figures have just tanked after that. Mainly because the spectacle is terrible. I mean I could be wrong, but I asked a few weeks ago on social media what the viewing figures were, and all the people crowing about the 1.5m peak viewers were eerily quiet. I suspect those views have collapsed, but if anyone has the info please do put it in.

It's a bit of a joke really. People probably watch the first weekend, but get less interested. The concern for the PL I suppose, is that they lose those people permanently. Most football fans now are very fickle. I mean a lot of the viewership comes from abroad and they really do tune in for the atmospheres which are gone. Here the razzamatazz has also gone. For lots of people they really want to appropriate that culture. In lieu of that certain people will just find another avenue.

While there are profound short term hits to the game, I also think there are long term challenges with football emerging as well. Increasingly people just want to see a certain goal, or tackle, or nutmeg so they can post it on social media to brag to their mates. I'm not sure that many are really that interested in watching full games, never mind paying through the nose for them.
 
catcherintherye said:
I saw on Germany people hyping up the viewing figures. The first game back was like 1.5m but was available via a freeview box (so wasn't their subscription service. Given almost everyone is in lockdown, desperate for any sport I was really shocked so few watched it. The consumer now rarely goes more a couple of weeks without live football, yet 3 months later that was all it could muster. It's peak viewing was beaten by a repeat of midsummer murders to give an idea of perspective.

I think the viewing figures have just tanked after that. Mainly because the spectacle is terrible. I mean I could be wrong, but I asked a few weeks ago on social media what the viewing figures were, and all the people crowing about the 1.5m peak viewers were eerily quiet. I suspect those views have collapsed, but if anyone has the info please do put it in.

It's a bit of a joke really. People probably watch the first weekend, but get less interested. The concern for the PL I suppose, is that they lose those people permanently. Most football fans now are very fickle. I mean a lot of the viewership comes from abroad and they really do tune in for the atmospheres which are gone. Here the razzamatazz has also gone. For lots of people they really want to appropriate that culture. In lieu of that certain people will just find another avenue.

While there are profound short term hits to the game, I also think there are long term challenges with football emerging as well. Increasingly people just want to see a certain goal, or tackle, or nutmeg so they can post it on social media to brag to their mates. I'm not sure that many are really that interested in watching full games, never mind paying through the nose for them.
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The thing with football clubs,well what are considered large clubs,is that most have a hard core of around 15/20000 supporters,they will find a way to follow the team even through financial hard times,if you ask most people who no longer attend,it will be for various reasons they stopped,maybe a new job,family,relocation,the cost rising,but they eventually got out of the habit,they still have an interest but its not the be all to their lives,thats what will happen after all this,the habit is broken,the game has been exposed for what it really is,a business with no concern for the long time customer
 
Lelouch said:
Just seen on Sky "THE WAIT IS OVER" no one is arsed, This isn't Football it's soulless nonsense forced by companies so they don't lose out on too much money.
Just want the season to end ASAP tbh.
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And get ready for 2020-21 to be exactly the same soul less, Ker-ching format....
Can't see crowds attending games this side of next spring.
 
jaycee said:
The thing with football clubs,well what are considered large clubs,is that most have a hard core of around 15/20000 supporters,they will find a way to follow the team even through financial hard times,if you ask most people who no longer attend,it will be for various reasons they stopped,maybe a new job,family,relocation,the cost rising,but they eventually got out of the habit,they still have an interest but its not the be all to their lives,thats what will happen after all this,the habit is broken,the game has been exposed for what it really is,a business with no concern for the long time customer
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There's loads in that mate. I mean there's undoubtedly a core group of very loyal fans, I don't doubt that. These people won't be lost, we would never be lost. If Everton were playing in the 4th division, they'd still be our team.

However football has increasingly grown by adding lots of peripheral fans around the edges. A soft set of customers. You can see it a mile off. 10 years ago, United fans everywhere. 5 years ago Chelsea. Now Liverpool. They are essentially very fickle and will move and change with the flow of the wind. You can a lot of kids now who just follow their favourite player on FIFA.

We will all have moral judgements on this, so my point isn't to make that, but just to highlight for many of these people it will not take much for them to switch off.

It's a TV for most of them. Actually going to a match is like a once in a lifetime opportunity to get on the set for Game of Thrones. They treat it as fundamentally a TV spectacle and in essence a TV program. Like all TV programmes, if it changes when it's aired, or takes a prolonged break, or the quality of the product is not only changed but greatly reduced people are very fickle.

By no means am I saying it is certain, but it's certainly a possibility. And as you say once people fall out of the habit of doing something it tends to have an impact.

As for the match going fans, I suspect they keep turning up. They've put up with a lot worse.
 

catcherintherye said:
I saw on Germany people hyping up the viewing figures. The first game back was like 1.5m but was available via a freeview box (so wasn't their subscription service. Given almost everyone is in lockdown, desperate for any sport I was really shocked so few watched it. The consumer now rarely goes more a couple of weeks without live football, yet 3 months later that was all it could muster. It's peak viewing was beaten by a repeat of midsummer murders to give an idea of perspective.

I think the viewing figures have just tanked after that. Mainly because the spectacle is terrible. I mean I could be wrong, but I asked a few weeks ago on social media what the viewing figures were, and all the people crowing about the 1.5m peak viewers were eerily quiet. I suspect those views have collapsed, but if anyone has the info please do put it in.

It's a bit of a joke really. People probably watch the first weekend, but get less interested. The concern for the PL I suppose, is that they lose those people permanently. Most football fans now are very fickle. I mean a lot of the viewership comes from abroad and they really do tune in for the atmospheres which are gone. Here the razzamatazz has also gone. For lots of people they really want to appropriate that culture. In lieu of that certain people will just find another avenue.

While there are profound short term hits to the game, I also think there are long term challenges with football emerging as well. Increasingly people just want to see a certain goal, or tackle, or nutmeg so they can post it on social media to brag to their mates. I'm not sure that many are really that interested in watching full games, never mind paying through the nose for them.
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I'm sure the viewing figures were even worse than that you know mate. I'm sure it was something like 750k.

I'm never right though so don't take my word for it.
 
Seathestars said:
You’re not the only one who’s underwhelmed matey. I’d forgotten it starts today
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Essentially like watching televised reserve team football. No one would bother.

It'll get decent figures first week then everyone will realise how crap it is and not bother.

Whole thing is totally pointless. The easier out was to null it and give Liverpool their paper title, which is all that is happening anyway except three clubs will be screwed over due to lack of home advantage more likely than not.
 

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