Project restart discussion.

[number4.]

There is no basis for it, as every league that went for null and void had no legal action and no difficulties relating to legalism in restarting.

It literally had no impacton any league where cancellation was taken. A complete red flag. Again without trying to be wise after the event, I did point this out at the time as well.

Only one league went null and void to the best of my knowledge, the rest where settled with promotion relegation

The truth is no one knows, restart was average at best, many hailed it as a success. You cannot say with certainty, your method would have been better, there in all likelihood would have been at minimum legal attempts from Leeds, WBA, probably Liverpool and most teams not impact by threat of relegation when TV rights were not paid.

That discussion needs to be parked the question is what happens with future hiatus due to this poxy covid and hellish government

 

[maccavennie]

@LouReedwalkonthewildside

Done my maccavennie sports analysis and can confirm

Pen against Chelsea was given by ref, then checked by VAR. Decision stood.

Pen against Sheffield Utd was not given by ref, checked by VAR, decision reversed and pen given

Pen against Man City was not given by ref, checked by VAR, decision reversed and pen given

Pen against Brighton was not given by ref, checked by VAR, decision reversed and pen given

Couldn't find the 5th one

So out of the 4 I found, only 1 was given and VAR had to intervene to give the other 3

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

@LouReedwalkonthewildside

Done my maccavennie sports analysis and can confirm

Pen against Chelsea was given by ref, then checked by VAR. Decision stood.

Pen against Sheffield Utd was not given by ref, checked by VAR, decision reversed and pen given

Pen against Man City was not given by ref, checked by VAR, decision reversed and pen given

Pen against Brighton was not given by ref, checked by VAR, decision reversed and pen given

Couldn't find the 5th one

So out of the 4 I found, only 1 was given and VAR had to intervene to give the other 3

In the 1 - 1 game with Brighton macca I'm sure Brighton had 2 pens in the game, one scored, one missed.

 

[maccavennie]

In the 1 - 1 game with Brighton macca I'm sure Brighton had 2 pens in the game, one scored, one missed.

That's right Lou.

Let me check the 1st one!

Checked and that was given by the ref with no VAR needed

So total is

1 given by ref
1 given by ref and checked by VAR
3 given by VAR and not by ref

 

[number4.]

40 new positives from the latest round in PL - I see nothing other than a Hiatus coming to be honest

 

[Ring master]

All results, no surprise its more with virus, when more tests are carried out, pretty simple really as well as players having partys etc

Round 1: Aug 31-Sep 6 - 1,605 tested, with three testing positive.

Round 2: Sep 7-13 - 2,131 tested, with four testing positive.

Round 3: Sep 14-20- 1,574 tested, with three testing positive.

Round 4: Sep 21-27 - 1,595 tested, with 10 testing positive.

Round 5: Sep 28-Oct 4 - 1,587 tested, with nine testing positive.

Round 6: Oct 5-11 - 1,128 tested, with five testing positive.

Round 7: Oct 12-18 - 1,575 tested, with eight testing positive.

Round 8: Oct 19-25 - 1,609 tested, with two testing positive.

Round 9: Oct 26-Nov 1 - 1,446 tested, with four testing positive.

Round 10: Nov 2-8 - 1,646 tested, with four testing positive.

Round 11: Nov 9-15 - 1,207 tested, with 16 testing positive.

Round 12: Nov 16-22 - 1,530 tested, with eight testing positive.

Round 13: Nov 23-29 - 1,381 tested, with 10 testing positive.

Round 14: Nov 30-Dec 6 - 1,483 tested, with 14 testing positive.

Round 15: Dec 7-13 - 1,549 tested, with six testing positive.

Round 16: Dec 14-20 - 1,569 tested, with seven testing positive

Round 17: Dec 21-27 - 1,479 tested, with 18 testing positive

Round 18: Dec 28-Jan 3 - 2,295 tested, with 40 testing positive

 

[Ring master]

 

[number4.]

They should be sacked, it won’t happen but needs to. Not because the need to be beacons of morality, but simply they are putting their industry at risk.

 

[4737carlin]

Looking at the current figures, and how long this vaccine will take, I'm starting to think we the fans wont be back at the start of next season, forget this one, zero chance of that in any decent numbers.
What bugs me about these players is they are in the public eye, just as much as Dominic Cummings. The way they are acting, well a small number, need severe punishment

 

[YoboCopter]

Looking at the current figures, and how long this vaccine will take, I'm starting to think we the fans wont be back at the start of next season, forget this one, zero chance of that in any decent numbers.
What bugs me about these players is they are in the public eye, just as much as Dominic Cummings. The way they are acting, well a small number, need severe punishment

Cant see fans for a whily myself dont think itll be this year anyway

 

[4737carlin]

Cant see fans for a whily myself dont think itll be this year anyway

I just hope the game can gets its house in order, it's one thing no fans but no games would be awful

 

[number4.]

Looking at the current figures, and how long this vaccine will take, I'm starting to think we the fans wont be back at the start of next season, forget this one, zero chance of that in any decent numbers.
What bugs me about these players is they are in the public eye, just as much as Dominic Cummings. The way they are acting, well a small number, need severe punishment

I think that's optimistic mate, certainly in anything more than a token 20 or 30% format. It's grim and Frustrating.

 

[degsy]

1- It could have very easily happened. Lots of leagues in lots of countries stopped. Even top leagues in this country (Scotland) stopped. They made a choice and a gamble. If this season is affected, it will have turned out to be a terribl, terrible mistake that was entirely avoidable. Of course they didn't, but they could have done.

2- I've not seen the Olympics. Obviously the Olympics is not working around national sporting windows in the same way. UEFA will really not want to wait further to complete a tournament. Having a Euro's months before a world cup would be farcical (and actually greatly reduce interest) and cancelling costs them money. All options are open, but if I'm UEFA, I want a pretty big payday to move the tournament again.

3- I believe a months delay may mean they can just about fiddle things around, not move too much and every could be happy. Anymore than 1 month and it is going to get very difficult. I believe this is why the league is desperate not to stop.

Ultimately the ineptitude, stupidity, short sightedness and cowardice of the governing bodies, in needlessly playing a summer circus after a season had effectively ended has caused a potentially very challenging situation. The governance of the game is appalling. Yesterdays behaviour from the PL, cancelling games without even consulting with ourselves underlines this.

And of course the mid (europe) season world cup is in the horizon to complicate matters

 

[number4.]

The top league of Scotland did stop.

It didn't. it completed, with settlement of champions European spots & relegation, There is a huge difference between that and stopped / voided

 

[number4.]

1- It could have very easily happened. Lots of leagues in lots of countries stopped. Even top leagues in this country (Scotland) stopped. They made a choice and a gamble. If this season is affected, it will have turned out to be a terribl, terrible mistake that was entirely avoidable. Of course they didn't, but they could have done.

2- I've not seen the Olympics. Obviously the Olympics is not working around national sporting windows in the same way. UEFA will really not want to wait further to complete a tournament. Having a Euro's months before a world cup would be farcical (and actually greatly reduce interest) and cancelling costs them money. All options are open, but if I'm UEFA, I want a pretty big payday to move the tournament again.

3- I believe a months delay may mean they can just about fiddle things around, not move too much and every could be happy. Anymore than 1 month and it is going to get very difficult. I believe this is why the league is desperate not to stop.
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Ultimately te ineptitude, stupidity, short sightedness and cowardice of the governing bodies, in needlessly playing a summer circus after a season had effectively ended has caused a potentially very challenging situation. The governance of the game is appalling. Yesterdays behaviour from the PL, cancelling games without even consulting with ourselves underlines this.

Hi Catcher, apologies for missing your reply here. I completely agree with all of the sentiment here, but I am aghast that someone as smart as your goodself could not see the inevitablity of the last paragraph here. It was always going to be the case that the "ineptitude, stupidity, short sightedness and cowardice of the governing bodies" dictated things. We are still seeing that now, with the PL "show must go-on" madness, which in turn we will hear from UEFA about CL, Europa league and international matches, despite them all being a recipe for disaster.

Until the decisions are taken out of the hands of football bodies by governments, the car-crash will stay on the road