Proposed changes to the Premier league

[catcherintherye]

If this is right, this is what Teams have said or not said, about the Plans.

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If this is true, theyve already failed as wont get over the 14 teams.

 

[arch stanton]

This could be a fantastic opportunity......for the common good of Football. Show these two American franchises up for what they really are. A coordinated backlash by all the other clubs plus the media could really turn it into a behemoth of an own goal, one which if ‘managed’ correctly could have a profound effect in levelling out the playing field and ridding us of the two bloated, egotistical, self-righteous bullies. I’d love to see someone as proficient in dialogue as Simon Jordan for example spearheading a ‘jib-them-off’ campaign backed up by every other club in the country on the back of their ‘Big Plan’.

good luck with that, I wish you were right.

 

[evertony]

good luck with that, I wish you were right.

We can dream

 

[Brendan Janus]

Who gives a Fcuk !!

 

[trueblue84]

If this is right, this is what Teams have said or not said, about the Plans.

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No way wolves and Leicester would go for it so can safely add them to the 'against' list.

 

[catcherintherye]

So are you suggesting the Man U v Sheffield United, Man U V Burnley and Burnley v Sheffield United, would all generate similar global levels of viewing.

Looking at 2019/20 Barb data Liverpool & Man United were averaging well over two times the viewers over the course of the season, when compared with West Ham, Palace, Burnley and Brighton. I agree to an extent with your arguement that it's the product that generates the money, but the BARB numbers don't lie

Average viewers per game (UK only)

• Liverpool – 1,662,801
• Manchester United – 1,520,948
• Tottenham Hotspur – 1,286,847
• Chelsea – 1,143,175
• Manchester City – 1,136,054
• Arsenal – 1,117,644
• Wolverhampton Wanderers – 1,108,265
• Everton – 1,064,044
• Norwich City – 987,411
• Newcastle United – 955,915
• Sheffield United – 944,188
• Leicester City – 869,820
• Aston Villa – 865,251
• Watford – 814,270
• Southampton – 760,833
• Brighton & Hove Albion – 739,313
• Burnley – 703,005
• Crystal Palace – 658,897
• West Ham United – 636,296
• Bournemouth – 625,427

This data in many ways disprovez what you are saying. I mean Everton and Wolves are virtually level with Arsenal/Chelsea yet the TV revenues they get far more money. If anything the top 6 get too much money.

The gap from top to bottom, is like 2.5 x. It's hardly indicative of them bringing in all the money. Quite the opposite.

Then factor in, the exposure and push the top teams get, particularly Liverpool and you wonder if all teams were marketed equally where it would be? If West Ham and say Palace had 2-3 more years going for the title and say Spurs and City were in the bottom half, I'd wager a fair bit the former would have more viewers.

Essentially, however is top, and whoever get the push from broadcasters will get slightly more viewers than the rest. However the uptake in watchers doesn't really correlate to the existing inequality in revenues. That's all that's been proven there.

 

[catcherintherye]

figures posted above - UK only so dont take into account the international aspect which would be even starker I suspect

Well it can hardly be less stark, as the gap is fairly nominal from domestic broadcasters. However it's far more volatile, and if a different team was at the top, the viewership would just adapt accordingly.

 

[catcherintherye]

Behind a paywall so can’t read it
If they go to the EFL and get promoted , what happens ??

Likewise so I'm not sure.

Apparently Rick Parry floated the idea the top 6 could just leave the PL and go and play in the EFL. I cant believe that idea was ever given much traction.

I think we can guess from the fact it's now only 2 teams reported to be being sent down, the other 4 of the "big 6" have not taken very seriously the idea that they should take a demotion and leave the league.

It sounds like just the sort of idiocy Parry would come up with as well.

Of course you see the hypocrisy of the clubs though. If they are the real money generators, why not just leave, and take their money with them? Is it because in fact they are beholden to the PL?

 

[number4.]

This data in many ways disprovez what you are saying. I mean Everton and Wolves are virtually level with Arsenal/Chelsea yet the TV revenues they get far more money. If anything the top 6 get too much money.

The gap from top to bottom, is like 2.5 x. It's hardly indicative of them bringing in all the money. Quite the opposite.

Then factor in, the exposure and push the top teams get, particularly Liverpool and you wonder if all teams were marketed equally where it would be? If West Ham and say Palace had 2-3 more years going for the title and say Spurs and City were in the bottom half, I'd wager a fair bit the former would have more viewers.

Essentially, however is top, and whoever get the push from broadcasters will get slightly more viewers than the rest. However the uptake in watchers doesn't really correlate to the existing inequality in revenues. That's all that's been proven there.

I've never argued they are bringing in "all of the money" (certainly didn't intend to); my point is simple. They feel they are entitled to a bigger slice of the pie, than the extremely flat 25+25+50 model in the PL. On balance, there is a case to be made to suggest it is at least a fair debate.

But if you want my personal opinion, they should leave well alone, they have enough advantages, through sponsorship, Higher gate revenue and in some cases kit sales.

 

[4737carlin]

However, this proposal may only be a staging post. Should Everton's rise continue and we become a de facto member of the "big 6" by finishing in the top four a few times, making the CL, and winning a cup, then we'd be assimilated into the Borg prior to any new, more-likely-to-succeed, proposal on the other side of the pandemic

This wont get us in the top 6, look at Leicester, they even had the nerve to win it and there not even considered top 9

 

[catcherintherye]

I've never argued they are bringing in "all of the money" (certainly didn't intend to); my point is simple. They feel they are entitled to a bigger slice of the pie, than the extremely flat 25+25+50 model in the PL. On balance, there is a case to be made to suggest it is at least a fair debate.

But if you want my personal opinion, they should leave well alone, they have enough advantages, through sponsorship, Higher gate revenue and in some cases kit sales.

You said they drove the revenues. They dont.

They are already given a far bigger slice of the pie than others. Looking at the numbers you put up, objectively too big a slice.

Its fine saying it's a debate, but it's never treated as a debate. People spout off opinions as if they are facts, when the facts often contradict heavily the ideas the PL is a basket case that needs them.

I tend to leave my view out of it. Objectively they do very well out of the league, and if they are unhappy they can look to go elsewhere. They wouldn't be missed.

 

[number4.]

You said they drove the revenues. They dont.

They are already given a far bigger slice of the pie than others. Looking at the numbers you put up, objectively too big a slice.

Its fine saying it's a debate, but it's never treated as a debate. People spout off opinions as if they are facts, when the facts often contradict heavily the ideas the PL is a basket case that needs them.

I tend to leave my view out of it. Objectively they do very well out of the league, and if they are unhappy they can look to go elsewhere. They wouldn't be missed.

of course the do - are you argueing that the product would drive the same global revenue, not just in the UK, without Man United & Liverpool? Not with you on this one catcher!

 

[number4.]

You said they drove the revenues. They dont.

They are already given a far bigger slice of the pie than others. Looking at the numbers you put up, objectively too big a slice.

Its fine saying it's a debate, but it's never treated as a debate. People spout off opinions as if they are facts, when the facts often contradict heavily the ideas the PL is a basket case that needs them.

I tend to leave my view out of it. Objectively they do very well out of the league, and if they are unhappy they can look to go elsewhere. They wouldn't be missed.

of course the do - are you argueing that the product would drive the same global revenue, not just in the UK, without Man United & Liverpool? Not with you on this one catcher!

 

[riddick]

Likewise so I'm not sure.

Apparently Rick Parry floated the idea the top 6 could just leave the PL and go and play in the EFL. I cant believe that idea was ever given much traction.

I think we can guess from the fact it's now only 2 teams reported to be being sent down, the other 4 of the "big 6" have not taken very seriously the idea that they should take a demotion and leave the league.

It sounds like just the sort of idiocy Parry would come up with as well.

Of course you see the hypocrisy of the clubs though. If they are the real money generators, why not just leave, and take their money with them? Is it because in fact they are beholden to the PL?

I feel like I'm missing something. How do Liverpool and Utd along with the other SPECIAL FOUR going to the Championship (?) help anything?

 

[NathDogg]

I can't agree with anyone that the premier League is only paid the vast sums it is due to the two red teams of Manchester and Liverpool only, so therefore they feel they should have even more of the TV funds?!

The "product" which is the most lucrative world football competition in tv terms, in actuality is the 20 team league, where a bottom side can beat a top side on any given match day, or we can (rarely) see a team like Leicester or Blackburn actually win the league - that's why the TV companies pay so much, not just because of our red cousins!

I actually think, if they get there wish on this, that the actual TV money would be massively reduced to the levels of la Liga, the french , German or Italian fees, as the league will be boring and predictable.

I fear our league would end up like those, from a performance perspective, and only a few teams will ever win it again - it's bad enough already, but at least it's still sort of competitive, unlike the turgid borefests of the foreign competition's.

The yank overlords of Tory FC and ushited probably don't care a jot about any of the above, if they can get more control over the actual league and it's rules, and have the ability to sell 8 of their games to their franchise's tellyclappers across the globe.

I've said it before, it takes two teams to make a match, and twenty teams to make the league, which is the product - 1,2 or 6 "big" clubs should have no more say than the other 18-14 teams on how it's run, as they all make the product what it is, no matter how many glory hunting tellyclappers these teams have, willing to pay through the nose to watch them from all the way in upfuckistan, or god knows where.

Our red cousins should have left well enough alone, and I hope this comes back to destroy any clubs that back it.

I really need to see Everton piss on this parade very soon - I'm more and more worried that we might be backing this joke, the longer the club remains silent.