Proposed changes to the Premier league

[Kev50]

the yanks are being so crass about this, they just don't understand the appeal of football. they think if they get just all the top clubs playing each other, the demand will reach the sky. But if you're a united fan, what would you rather be in, a league where you pllay psg every two weeks, or in the PL?
fools

 

[number4.]

Thanks mate you too.

For the record I do not think there's very little chance of it happening. I am just waiting for some details of what it looks like, and there are lots of outcomes available. On the questions.

1) If 5 teams are going, you'd imagine the 6th, plus Leicester, Everton, West Ham, Southampton, Wolves, Newcastle etc would be against it as less European opportunities. You'd imagine most teams would be, as it kills any hopes they have to play in Europe (working on the basis it replaces CL/EL which it may not).

2) The PL would not be able to veto it. However the PL could take a position that membership of this league is incompatible with playing in the PL. That could happen and makes some sense. Liverpool/United may just (as Rick Parry says) play in the footbal league, and use it as a B team. All depends on numbers I suppose.

3) How do you mean about point 3 mate, not sure what you are getting at? If you can expalin I'll try to respond.

The FA could block, but realistically if teams want to go, they will go. They could stop them playing in the PL or FA Cup again.

It's very hard to predict, as you are talking about 3D chess, between multiple agencies here.

Yes, it's complex beyond belief and there is a hint of literal game of thrones going on in the background between the governing bodies.

I was 100% sure this was just a leveraging position on the strategic review, but seeing the Spanish Clubs and press coming out with the same thing at the same time, suggests to me it might run a bit deeper.

Regarding the PL, ideally we would all love the "Go-on take your ball and don't come back" threat from the PL, but as I said during the Project big idea discussion, there is little doubt that the PL needs the big six as much as the big six needs the PL. I think this model is something that might work for all parties in terms of removing the threat of a breakaway European league; securing the revenue for the league & the some form of European Qualification for the 14, which could actually be more spots than previous depending on how UEFA would restructure their tournaments in this hypothetical scenario.

Regarding UEFA, my question was really the fact that I don't see them having a say here. If the 18 clubs walk away, I don't see a mechanic whereby the could do anything about it, the could only restructure their tournaments to suit.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

the yanks are being so crass about this, they just don't understand the appeal of football. they think if they get just all the top clubs playing each other, the demand will reach the sky. But if you're a united fan, what would you rather be in, a league where you pllay psg every two weeks, or in the PL?
fools

The sport getting more popular over there has been a real double edged sword

 

[Jim Hopper]

I hope in time they do leave. I hope for their sake it doesn’t go t!ts up for them but if it does and they come crying back to the English FA and Premier League I hope they’re told to start again from scratch in north/south divisional leagues. The old saying goes never bite the hand that feeds.

 

[Goodison87]

I couldn’t think of anything worse than watching European football only. High end capitalism does love a good old crisis / distraction when planning a cash grab.

Waive them off insist they can’t come back for 50 yrs minimum, form a British premier league and away we go...

 

[Ring master]

 

[Jim Hopper]

Always thought Liverpool, coming from the North West and our city in particular would stay loyal in its so called socialist roots and their fans would stand against stuff like this, their club is at the forefront of this, their owners 100% pushing for it. They’re Behaving like a proper Tory club and their fans as blind as they will be, especially the local lads who struggle to get a ticket anyways will be losing out even more, as their club drifts further and further away from them.

 

[Ruairi77]

There's a lot of people saying 'good riddance' and hoping they leave but it would be the death of clubs like Everton if this happens.
It would take champions league off the table.
It would eliminate any chance of world class players joining Everton.
It would drastically reduce TV rights to remaining premier league teams
It would make the gap between Europes super clubs and everyone else unbridgeable.
And what happens to clubs like Ajax, Celtic, Sporting, Galatasaray, Porto, never mind the huge clubs from France, Italy, Germany, Spain and England who aren't invited.
It's madness.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yes, it's complex beyond belief and there is a hint of literal game of thrones going on in the background between the governing bodies.

I was 100% sure this was just a leveraging position on the strategic review, but seeing the Spanish Clubs and press coming out with the same thing at the same time, suggests to me it might run a bit deeper.

Regarding the PL, ideally we would all love the "Go-on take your ball and don't come back" threat from the PL, but as I said during the Project big idea discussion, there is little doubt that the PL needs the big six as much as the big six needs the PL. I think this model is something that might work for all parties in terms of removing the threat of a breakaway European league; securing the revenue for the league & the some form of European Qualification for the 14, which could actually be more spots than previous depending on how UEFA would restructure their tournaments in this hypothetical scenario.

Regarding UEFA, my question was really the fact that I don't see them having a say here. If the 18 clubs walk away, I don't see a mechanic whereby the could do anything about it, the could only restructure their tournaments to suit.

I'll take each point seperately.

The strategic review looks a fairly desperate ploy to engineer more game time. It has failed and unless the PL are completely stupid they will really not relent now.

It's not a case of what we would love but what makes strategic sense. The PL clubs outside the top 6 have played this horrendously. They have allowed 6 clubs to enrich themselves out of the collective pot, grow their profile on the back of the leagues success, while getting into bed with a direct competitor. I have never known anything like it. This ought to have come years ago, and really nees to come soon, which is you force a situation where teams have to choose. There are currently 5 going and 1 staying. You need to hope 1 or 2 waver. If the PL could keep say Arsenal, City and Spurs but lose United, Liverpool and Chelsea, gthat is a lot better than losing all 6 and them really not being massively concerned about your league anymore. I am really not sure what the alternative to this is, at this point.

I mean if you wanted to show me your working on how the PL would get more revenue from this, I am very open to it. But I can't see it.

If Fifa have set this up, they wouldn't have say, unless an offer was made to merge somehow with the CL. I have no idea why UEFA would agree to that though, basically being strong armed into having to give power up of their own competition.

All I suppose UEFA could do, again is state that any club who plays in this league was barred from the CL/EL (which I'm not sure they would enter). They may also speak with all domestic associations and seek a common position that they cannot play in their domestic leagues too. It may also mean players can't play in the European championships and it may be that European teams don't participate in the World Cup. Thats the sort of arms race thinking it could get too.

 

[mill]

Good riddance.

(Is Carragher sound now btw...?)

 

[catcherintherye]

There's a lot of people saying 'good riddance' and hoping they leave but it would be the death of clubs like Everton if this happens.
It would take champions league off the table.
It would eliminate any chance of world class players joining Everton.
It would drastically reduce TV rights to remaining premier league teams
It would make the gap between Europes super clubs and everyone else unbridgeable.
And what happens to clubs like Ajax, Celtic, Sporting, Galatasaray, Porto, never mind the huge clubs from France, Italy, Germany, Spain and England who aren't invited.
It's madness.

There would be a hit to revenues. The PL would have to think "creatively". However the PL is a strong product so there is no reason why it would collapse.

 

[catcherintherye]

Good riddance.

(Is Carragher sound now btw...?)

He's a blue underneath it.

 

[Paul Rideout]

Is that wishful thinking or something that would happen?

extremely wishful, most of the associations work in fear. I don’t think they realise the plum that not being able to compete for these honours would have (maybe I’m being naive).

I’d be playing heavily on we have all the history and the trophies that the players want to win.

 

[bluenorthwarrior]

The other catch 22 in all of this is the more often a Leicester, Everton or wolves take a CL slot the more momentum this type of thing will gain. If everyone respected their 'betters' and let utd, RS, arse and Chelsea be the top 4 every year this would never be needed.

 

[mill]

What we should do is let them eff off. Then amalgamate the Scottish league into our system and ultimately replace them with rangers, Celtic et al.