Proposed changes to the Premier league

[Ruairi77]

There would be a hit to revenues. The PL would have to think "creatively". However the PL is a strong product so there is no reason why it would collapse.

I don't think it would collapse. But it would definitely play second fiddle to this new league, at least in terms of tv revenue and sponsorship.
The way these people operate, they would set up the league and pull up the ladder behind them.
Global exposure to the premier league would be limited.
If it happens and coincides with Everton moving in to a new 50k stadium, there could be real cause for concern.
At the moment Everton are a well established part of the most popular football league in the world. The club has a good foundation and can use that to move stadium/attract investors/sponsors/grow it's global reach. All that changes if the PL plays second fiddle to a European super league.

Theres a romantic notion that we can all go back to paying a tenner in to watch games like pre Premier league and we don't need all the tv and fanfare stuff that comes with the premier league. but there's no going back to your grandads generation.
This would be signing up for a glorified Championship that won't pay the bills for our new stadium.
Not for me.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Wouldnt it be great if the league called their bluff for once.

This is and always will be pie in the sky stuff they just want the league to give them a bigger piece of the TV deals.

Tell them to go - see them suddenly back track when they realise the whole threat isn't workable.

 

[Ruairi77]

What we should do is let them eff off. Then amalgamate the Scottish league into our system and ultimately replace them with rangers, Celtic et al.

right, so crap all over the scottish clubs that aren't big enough to join.
Makes us no better than them.

 

[mill]

right, so crap all over the scottish clubs that aren't big enough to join.
Makes us no better than them.

Did I say that? I said amalgamate the leagues. Not just ask Celtic and Rangers to join.

 

[catcherintherye]

I don't think it would collapse. But it would definitely play second fiddle to this new league, at least in terms of tv revenue and sponsorship.
The way these people operate, they would set up the league and pull up the ladder behind them.
Global exposure to the premier league would be limited.
If it happens and coincides with Everton moving in to a new 50k stadium, there could be real cause for concern.
At the moment Everton are a well established part of the most popular football league in the world. The club has a good foundation and can use that to move stadium/attract investors/sponsors/grow it's global reach. All that changes if the PL plays second fiddle to a European super league.

Theres a romantic notion that we can all go back to paying a tenner in to watch games like pre Premier league and we don't need all the tv and fanfare stuff that comes with the premier league. but there's no going back to your grandads generation.
This would be signing up for a glorified Championship that won't pay the bills for our new stadium.
Not for me.

There's a lot of sense in that.

I am surmising certain things, one of them is Sky/BT et al are not part of the discussions on packages. I don't think Carragher writes what he does if Sky are. It looks like they may stream it themselves. I wouldn't rule out a boxing style/DAZN promoter, who will make every game PPV have fronted the money.

The question really becomes, if you lose 2-5 of the top teams currently, 1) how much of it a hit does it have on the PL and 2) What is Everton's new position within it.

There is a long standing history and tradition, not just of English football, but of the PL. Long built in traditions of watching it. Massive successful orgs of piling money into it. Sky will likely throw more at it to try and stop a rival sweeping up (they lose loads if they lose viewers). Not necessarily money, but exposure, experties etc.

To keep those 18 clubs how they want to be kept, will require a huge investment, and a huge uptake to be viable. It's not impossible, but it's difficult. DAZN in boxing are currently getting sued and have completely failed to win out in American boxing. They lacked the experience.

I think the PL is a strong product, but it has to realise that, and it really can't afford to carry passengers who are half in half out.

 

[Ruairi77]

Did I say that? I said amalgamate the leagues. Not just ask Celtic and Rangers to join.

same thing mate.
Celtic and Rangers are the only two who'd have the financial ability to compete with the likes of Everton and Newcastle.
The other teams would be stuck at the bottom of the championship or top of league one with no day out at Park head or Ibrox to boost their coffers.

 

[trueblue84]

same thing mate.
Celtic and Rangers are the only two who'd have the financial ability to compete with the likes of Everton and Newcastle.
The other teams would be stuck at the bottom of the championship or top of league one with no day out at Park head or Ibrox to boost their coffers.

Not so sure. They'd have access to far more income in the EFL than in their current setup.

 

[Efcjake]

Crying to the FA because the derby didn't go there way and then threatening to leave the league.

Good I hope they [Poor language removed]

 

[Drico]

The left behind clubs - containing many famous names - must stand firm here. Let them go. Call their bluff. Juventus fans won't be long getting fed up of mid-table league placings and regular pastings from the new big boys. Arsenal fans will soon tire of finishing bottom. Great clubs whose self image is built on domestic domination will soon shed their fickle fans when regular hidings are being dealt out.

The only way this works for the superclubs is if they can keep a presence in their domestic league too. An extra 30 to 34 fixtures a year probably makes this impossible...which leaves us with the one logical conclusion: it's just another threat in the long list of threats that Liverpool and United and co specialise in to get more money from their current "partners", i.e., UEFA and the rest of the PL clubs.

They'll get an expanded CL - which will bore everyone to tears - and that's about it. There's a reason why President Ceferin has been talking about introducing a final four tournament from 2024 in the CL - it's the only consolation to the ever-expanding number of mind-numbing group matches we're going to see in the new format.

 

[mill]

same thing mate.
Celtic and Rangers are the only two who'd have the financial ability to compete with the likes of Everton and Newcastle.
The other teams would be stuck at the bottom of the championship or top of league one with no day out at Park head or Ibrox to boost their coffers.

The tv rights for the EFL are 5 times that of that the Scottish premier league. The teams are much bigger across the board. There is more coverage, more fans.

Instead of it being 4 games a season for them they’d be facing the likes of forest, derby, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Ipswich etc as well as loads of teams who have until recently been in the PL.

They’d be better off tbh.

 

[Ruairi77]

There's a lot of sense in that.

I am surmising certain things, one of them is Sky/BT et al are not part of the discussions on packages. I don't think Carragher writes what he does if Sky are. It looks like they may stream it themselves. I wouldn't rule out a boxing style/DAZN promoter, who will make every game PPV have fronted the money.

The question really becomes, if you lose 2-5 of the top teams currently, 1) how much of it a hit does it have on the PL and 2) What is Everton's new position within it.

There is a long standing history and tradition, not just of English football, but of the PL. Long built in traditions of watching it. Massive successful orgs of piling money into it. Sky will likely throw more at it to try and stop a rival sweeping up (they lose loads if they lose viewers). Not necessarily money, but exposure, experties etc.

To keep those 18 clubs how they want to be kept, will require a huge investment, and a huge uptake to be viable. It's not impossible, but it's difficult. DAZN in boxing are currently getting sued and have completely failed to win out in American boxing. They lacked the experience.

I think the PL is a strong product, but it has to realise that, and it really can't afford to carry passengers who are half in half out.

Yup. The premier league is a strong product.
There has been a fortune pumped in to it.
But all these big investors, particularly the Americans, want to secure their investment against relegation or being muscled out by an outsider.
If the european mega clubs could form a league, and I 100% think they want to, the huge TV deals (sky/NBC) would follow.
I believe that if these clubs could set up a league, it would be a huge financial success. It would devalue the Premier league and therefore Everton.
It's not in our interest to make it harder for ourselves to reach the pinnacle of world club football.

 

[Bullens Rd]

Wouldnt it be great if the league called their bluff for once.

This is and always will be pie in the sky stuff they just want the league to give them a bigger piece of the TV deals.

Tell them to go - see them suddenly back track when they realise the whole threat isn't workable.

I think there is a very easy way for it to be workable, and the money that would be involved would be absolutely eye-watering. They'd be decades ahead of us after a year or two. The American, Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern markets would be throwing billions upon billions at the clubs and all they would need to do is fly to an away game every other week - hardly a big deal nowadays. There is no way there would be any sanctions such as their players banned from intentional duty or they can't return to the Premier League in the future. We have to hope this never happens because it would turn the clubs left behind into effectively Championship clubs.

While we would be one of the best clubs left behind in our new stadium the intentional appeal wouldn't be there and the Champions League would become a nothing tournament instantly.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I think there is a very easy way for it to be workable, and the money that would be involved would be absolutely eye-watering. They'd be decades ahead of us after a year or two. The American, Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern markets would be throwing billions upon billions at the clubs and all they would need to do is fly to an away game every other week - hardly a big deal nowadays. There is no way there would be any sanctions such as their players banned from intentional duty or they can't return to the Premier League in the future. We have to hope this never happens because it would turn the clubs left behind into effectively Championship clubs.

While we would be one of the best clubs left behind in our new stadium the intentional appeal wouldn't be there and the Champions League would become a nothing tournament instantly.

Cant see it happening- the plans are essentially to make the CL a closed shop - none of the other clubs are gonna just sit back and allow them to take it.

It will also have a hit on the PL who will know it stops the competitiveness of the league.

It will come down to either the 6 clubs staying or going - let them go.

They dont want to go they just want a bigger % of the TV deal like Real/Barca have in La Liga - thats always been what its about.

 

[Ruairi77]

The tv rights for the EFL are 5 times that of that the Scottish premier league. The teams are much bigger across the board. There is more coverage, more fans.

Instead of it being 4 games a season for them they’d be facing the likes of forest, derby, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Ipswich etc as well as loads of teams who have until recently been in the PL.

They’d be better off tbh.

you really think that Ross county, livingston, and Hamilton would hold their own in the Championship?

Merging the SPL with the welsh league, the Irish league and the League of Ireland to form a Celtic league similar to rugby makes some sense, but the english league would swallow up the scottish league. What happens to the scottish lower leagues?

 

[catcherintherye]

Yup. The premier league is a strong product.
There has been a fortune pumped in to it.
But all these big investors, particularly the Americans, want to secure their investment against relegation or being muscled out by an outsider.
If the european mega clubs could form a league, and I 100% think they want to, the huge TV deals (sky/NBC) would follow.
I believe that if these clubs could set up a league, it would be a huge financial success. It would devalue the Premier league and therefore Everton.
It's not in our interest to make it harder for ourselves to reach the pinnacle of world club football.

I agree with lots of that, but the word "would" ought to be "could" there.

We have no idea how many people would want to subscribe to watch. How many stay watching etc. There are a lot of unknowns.