Excuses excuses excuses
Has he taken one ounce of responsibility for anything since he took over? All I ever hear is self promotion and deflection. A truly woeful manager, who hasn't achieved anything in 15 years.
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2021/22 Rafael Benitez
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Excuses excuses excuses
Has he taken one ounce of responsibility for anything since he took over? All I ever hear is self promotion and deflection. A truly woeful manager, who hasn't achieved anything in 15 years.
kiss the crest
Player Valuation: £35m
Needs to build the team around
Pickford
Mina
Doucoure
DCL
Richy
Gray
Allan (short term)
Townsend see Allan
Like some have said we are about 7/8 1st team players away from competing
Pickford
Mina
Doucoure
DCL
Richy
Gray
Allan (short term)
Townsend see Allan
Like some have said we are about 7/8 1st team players away from competing
Kev The Rat
Player Valuation: £70m
Can’t believe that @ForeverBlue92 isn’t prepared to say that Benitez should be sacked if we get relegated
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
Things I think Benitez is culpable for:
* Signing Rondon
* Our abysmal set pieces
* Getting the shape wrong at the start of the game last night
Other than that, I find it hard to apportion much blame to him for anything else at the moment, given the scale of our injuries and the fact we know that this group of players have largely done the same sort of thing for years under an assortment of different managers.
I know that he'll be hated by some regardless of what happens because of who he is, but unless we are in actual relegation battle, there's no way I'm getting on the "sack the manager" bandwagon at any point, because I'm absolutely sick of changing managers every 18 months or whatever. He's here now, I don't think he's a bad manager and stability will most likely be better for us than changing manager again.
The ones who've been against him since day one and wouldn't give any credit when we were wining games have opinions which don't count for much at the moment because we know it isn't results which are their issue, whereas the ones who'll argue that Benitez can do no wrong seem equally ridiculous. The truth always lies somewhere in the middle.
* Signing Rondon
* Our abysmal set pieces
* Getting the shape wrong at the start of the game last night
Other than that, I find it hard to apportion much blame to him for anything else at the moment, given the scale of our injuries and the fact we know that this group of players have largely done the same sort of thing for years under an assortment of different managers.
I know that he'll be hated by some regardless of what happens because of who he is, but unless we are in actual relegation battle, there's no way I'm getting on the "sack the manager" bandwagon at any point, because I'm absolutely sick of changing managers every 18 months or whatever. He's here now, I don't think he's a bad manager and stability will most likely be better for us than changing manager again.
The ones who've been against him since day one and wouldn't give any credit when we were wining games have opinions which don't count for much at the moment because we know it isn't results which are their issue, whereas the ones who'll argue that Benitez can do no wrong seem equally ridiculous. The truth always lies somewhere in the middle.
I think we'll struggle in the next five games, but once we get the full squad back and maybe add a couple of extra players in January we'll be able to start scraping enough points to be okay
At that stage we then need a massive clear out in the summer, and to be fair to Benitez I think he'll be well suited to that
It's just a case of riding through this bad patch right now
We'll be down near the relegation zone following that Arsenal game I'm sure, but I also think we'll start adding some points once the Christmas period starts and if we sign some players quickly in January whilst having luck with injuries then this is salvageable
It's going to be a mediocre season at best, but FFP and the current lack of depth ensured that from the beginning. We just need to grit our teeth and get through it
Benitez wasn't my pick and I hardly think he's tearing it up, but there are mitigating circumstances right now and it's too early to call for a sacking I think
MisterJ
Player Valuation: £25m
This, totally.
We need those players back as quickly as possible without risking them breaking down further.
We then need to buy sensibly in the transfer window where possible.
I get that some people are set against Rafael on his past jobs, or that they think he's out of date; but he's here and won't be going anywhere soon.
We just have to get through this spell. We're not going to be relegated so it's do as best we can this season then see where we are at the end of it.
It's not attractive and isn't what people on here probably want to hear, but we are in a period of consolidation after blowing hundreds of millions on rubbish. We're very lucky that we have an owner still willing to spend and is only being stopped by the regulations in place, whatever we think of them.
For those of us old enough to remember, this could easily have been a Leeds situation, so we shouldn't really get on the managers back too much, regardless of your personal feelings towards him, when he's effectively doing the job with one hand tied behind his back due to circumstances
gonetomorrow
Player Valuation: £70m
We're level on points with Leicester whose defence isn't great either. Do they have our injury problems?
If we can show the same spirit as in second half we'll be OK.
Get the cheque book out in January.
If we can show the same spirit as in second half we'll be OK.
Get the cheque book out in January.
We've been riding out a storm ever since Martinez second season. There's no excuse for that sort of defeatist mentality. Patience is for the unambitious who seek only mediocrity. It should be a banned word at Everton. There should be desperation and total commitment, not patience. It's such a losing mentality.
Where has Benitez ever overhauled a squad?
He's a short term manager who won't last 18 months. We need a squad builder with a long term approach. This is never going to work. The more people back him the worse this will get.
It's pie in the sky to think this works out well - why are people clinging on to blind hope?
No manager can’t do anything on long turn with this squad ,lads are just not good enough in any ways , as someone mentioned above Rafael issues is that he is full of himself and he will never take responsibility for anything but he will take a credit right away as we had a chance to see it already
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Yes they have had significant injuries in defence. Fofana is out for the year and Evans only played his first match on Saturday. They also have Justin out long term, Castagne has been injured, and they are playing a young lad from the academy in Thomas.
They will finish miles above us too.
He won’t be sacked anyway, as that would be Moshiri admitting he was wrong again after just 10 games. The injured spine of our team is also saving him as it’s an excuse.
He shouldn’t be the manager, it’s that simple. Anyone else we would be more patient given the injuries (maybe) but he will get no time as 90% hate him.
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
This is absolutely what he does. Carlo had injuries but he didn’t moan about them, it’s part of football. He won’t take any responsibility for his awful team set up. He’ll probably make the same mistake next week.
Harryflashman
Player Valuation: £60m
I think you make a fair point but to Counter point it I think we were probably poor in quite large bits of the Southampton & Burnley games but the 3 points led to talk of his genius and him being lauded by Some .
Results influence fan reaction especially when it’s a manager whose viewed like this guy is . If klopp loses but plays well the RS fanbase aren’t really bothered but we’re in a different position. Let’s be honest we didn’t play well over the piece but did ok second half , as we did in a couple of games he’d won. Once we scored I actually felt we’d nick something or even better and even with that first half abject performance there were a couple of real chances where we could Even have scored in that whole game . However we’re now 1 win 7 , lost 3 on the run with a manager deeply unloved and mostly unwanted so the reaction doesn’t feel at all surprising.
Six of those players are injury prone. Honestly no point in building teams around them.
Oh great, we're back to the just be thankful we didn't do a Leeds argument. At this point you know people have given up.
Supporting this manager means you do not expect success. We will never be successful under this environment. Benitez and success are two mutually exclusive things. One will not happen with the other. Can we please show some sort of standards as a fan base?
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