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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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And back round to it all being about the comment which everyone explained it isn't about when he was hired.

You've gone in hard today doubling down.

90% of people who dislike Benitez from the get go do so based on that comment. Its not just the LFC connection as plenty on here like Rodgers who was arguably more smarmy as manager there than Benitez was.

And the comment itself wasn't even aimed at Everton it was a dig at Moyes tactics that derby game.

Was certainly sour apples but most trophy winning managers at that time carried on like that - Wenger was the worst going for it.
 
90% of people who dislike Benitez from the get go do so based on that comment. Its not just the LFC connection as plenty on here like Rodgers who was arguably more smarmy as manager there than Benitez was.

And the comment itself wasn't even aimed at Everton it was a dig at Moyes tactics that derby game.

Was certainly sour apples but most trophy winning managers at that time carried on like that - Wenger was the worst going for it.
For some it will be about the comment. For many others there was much more to it. Which was discussed in the summer and there's no point rehashing that argument. The comment probably does come into it at some point, for lots of people but remembering the discussions from the summer, it's not the reason for 90% of people. There was lots of other reasons before the comment even comes into it.

I couldn't care less if he called us a small club, we have shown that anyway by then hiring him and acting like he was the only or best option available.
 
90% of people who dislike Benitez from the get go do so based on that comment. Its not just the LFC connection as plenty on here like Rodgers who was arguably more smarmy as manager there than Benitez was.

And the comment itself wasn't even aimed at Everton it was a dig at Moyes tactics that derby game.

Was certainly sour apples but most trophy winning managers at that time carried on like that - Wenger was the worst going for it.

Never bothered me what he said and I've said it before that all managers do it to get under the skin of opposing teams. I have also said that I've always hated Benitez no matter who he was managing, he was always a massive tit with a chip on his shoulder, sadly that same tit is now our manager.
 
I actually couldn't care less thats what most people dont understand.

I said when Raffa was appointed I pay to watch the 11 on the pitch not the bloke in the dug out.

Never once sung Carlo Fantasico
Never once chanted Raffa Benitez
Didnt sing the SOS is back song under Martinez.

Anyone who gets emotionally attached to managers or "hates" them is bonkers never mind players - Lukaku and Gana were the only two players since the Moyes days I genuinely "liked".

I imagine you won't be alone in that, and I would put money on it that his name will never be sung by Everton fans even if he did well.
 

I imagine you won't be alone in that, and I would put money on it that his name will never be sung by Everton fans even if he did well.

A manager should only be sung about if they win trophies at the club - its why the Ancelotti love in was absolutely sickening when he did nothing here.

I grew up under Moyes and will always respect what he did for us working under Kenwrights constraints but I couldn't say I idolised or "loved" him.
 
A manager should only be sung about if they win trophies at the club - its why the Ancelotti love in was absolutely sickening when he did nothing here.

I grew up under Moyes and will always respect what he did for us working under Kenwrights constraints but I couldn't say I idolised or "loved" him.

I don't know about that mate, you're doing a good job with your love in for Benitez.
 
This thread just highlights how scummy Carlo was to just gave up in the second half of last season, we easily could have had Europe right now. Just another dosser recruited by Farhad now though sadly....
 
I don't know about that mate, you're doing a good job with your love in for Benitez.

No mate im giving him a fair crack of the whip based on the difficulty of the job given to him from the poor quality/depth squad, Lack of funds in the summer, injuries to key players etc - there is a big difference there.

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No mate im giving him a fair crack of the whip based on the difficulty of the job given to him from the poor quality/depth squad, Lack of funds in the summer, injuries to key players etc - there is a big difference there.

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I can understand you wanting to give him a fair crack but your defending of him is worrying, it's at wumming levels.
 
Would be interesting to see the win % stats for Everton games since Gueye left and when Doucoure isn’t playing. I’d wager it’s not very high. Why? Because if you don’t have the necessary pace and power to compete in midfield and earn possession you cannot consistently win football matches. Some on this site seem to have a blind spot on this and just expect that a midfield of Allan Davies Siggurdson Gomes etc. will somehow outplay any premier league midfield despite giving up so much in pace and power.

That’s why @ForeverBlue92 said Docuoure was our most important player. I said a few weeks back that if one of Doucoure or Allan (but especially Docuoure) got injured then the wheels would fall off the team and so it’s proved. The same thing happened to Silva once Gueye was sold and Gbamin didn’t replace him in the same way. The same thing was happening to Ancelotti at the end of last season once Docuoure got injured.

Our best 11 is a top half level counterattacking team with two very good forwards, a very good box to box midfielder, and a towering centre back in Mina. That’s the spine of the team, we can accommodate the weaker players (to a point) around these key players. What’s effectively happened to Benitez is he’s lost the entire spine of the team to injury. Everton fans seem to just have completely ignored this though and are perplexed as to why Keane Davies Iwobi Rondon don’t perform the same way and we’ve started losing.

I’ve said before there’s very little any manager in the world can do with our players outside of a certain group (Mina Digne Allan Docuoure DCL Richarlison Gray Townsend) tactically because they are just not good enough to carry ANY tactical ideas or aspects of the game out. Keane Davies Coleman would struggle to out together any sort of basic passing move even under little pressure.

As long as we continue to keep missing Mina Doucoure DCL etc. we’ll keep losing games and there’s nothing Rafael Benitez, Carlo Ancelotti, Marco Silva, Sam Allardyce, Robald Koeman, Pep Guardiola, Graham Potter or this mythical manager we should replace Benitez with can do about it.

The blame lies solely with the Everton board and Marcel Brands (and Koeman/Walsh before him) who have bought poor players, mismanaged the ffp situation, and have presided over the most embarrassing medical department in the league.

Firing another manager will achieve absolutely nothing. If anyone can give a single name worthy of consideration who is available, and would consider joining us, and brings a guarantee that they’d fare better than Benitez, then it’s worth a debate but I can’t think of a single one. The reason for that is I have seen Keane Coleman Davies Iwobi Siggurdson Kenny etc. fail under every single manager they’ve had in every single tactical system we’ve tried.

Look at the start of the season ffs. Confidence high, Southampton at home, pre season behind them and within the first 45 mins of the season Michael Keane has already fallen over a ball doing something inane with it leading to us conceding. Do you think that’s off of utter moronic play is in Benitez’s tactical plan? Or that he wouldn’t keep doing that sort of stupid stuff under any other manager? Of course he would! We saw Tom Davies absolutely take the knees out of the team against Burnley at home under Ancelotti through similar stupidity miscontrolling and dwelling in possession.

They are uncoachable, unprofessional, crap league one players who need punting from this squad as quickly as possible before another manager is fired. The moment Brands gave Keane a contract extension I knew we were running a comedy rat ship not an elite high performance football team.

Everton v Spurs at the weekend. No doubt the usual lot will moan on here when we don’t win (which we probably won’t) and blame Benitez for it but football isn’t a game based on emotion, ‘if we just want it a bit more than the opposition we’ll win’. It’s complete nonsense and even if it did work like that I doubt those players who will be in the 11 would even beat a lacklustre team like Spurs in the desire stakes. Football is about tactical strategies, and how effectively they are carried out by the players on the pitch.

Conte has numerous tactical strategies available to him based on the composition of the squad he has. He has the players in almost every position (except perhaps CB) to go with whatever formation he wants and if it doesn’t work he has the options to change it. Benitez has pretty much one option available to him, it’s the same option that Silva and Ancelotti turned to as it’s the only one this group of players has any chance with, sit deep and play on the counter hoping for a set piece. If this doesn’t work, he has. I options on the bench to go with anything different, and tbh his confidence in the players even being able to carry out this one tactic is probably extremely low.

We don’t have the pace to outrun Spurs, we don’t have the physicality to our power them, we don’t have the creativity to outplay them, we don’t have the height to better them on set pieces. The only way we win this game is for Benitez to be absolutely perfect tactically, hope that none of our useless players make a single mistake, and hope that Spurs make quite a few. Conte has probably minimised the risk of the latter happening.

I’m sorry to put it in such blunt terms but people don’t seem to be getting it, I don’t know how many more years of watching the same failings under different managers it takes before people start accepting that any football line up that contains the names Coleman Keane Davies Siggurdson Iwobi are highly unlikely to win a game of football. Combine this with the rest of the lineup missing what decent players we do have then we are almost certainly not going to win games of football which is why our top half form under previous managers (Silva, Ancelotti, and first few games under Benitez) turns into relegation form in the blink of an eye with a few injuries, and when you have the worst medical department in the league, this is always likely to happen.

The only saving grace is that it’s happened before January.

Just going to go ahead and bump this - perfectly summarized. Benitez has certainly made a few tactical mistakes over the last few matches (two man midfield without Doucoure, Iwobi over Gordon being the two biggest examples) but what in the world is he supposed to do in this situation? Part of me wants him to go scorched earth and call out the wasters in this squad. But at the end of the day, it probably won't actually do any good. The first reason being that these are small time players with piss poor mentalities who never rise to the occasion. The second, more important reason being that there is nobody to replace them. The squad construction is just so utterly awful that a few key injuries has completed wiped out all positive play. I look forward to the day when there is an exciting, forward thinking manager appointed by a competent DOF with a plan for the club, but for now it's likely not getting better any time soon.
 

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