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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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I think some of the fans will turn. I also think a number of fans, will realise we need to just ride through it. With this [Poor language removed] squad And accept we are unlikely to attract a world class manager.

…I think Moshiri wants a ‘safe’ appointment until the stadium is developed, then he can go progressive. Benitez is ‘safe’ but also high risk because he’s divisive. I‘m not keen on the man but I hope he does well.
 
All managers are going to have different philosophies, the main problem being if the owner decides to change them like he does shirts then you’ve also got no chance, the players that have been recruited over recent times have been dreadful and would be hard to argue that they’d suit any system, football really isn’t that complicated,
As for the players noone is certain who’s purchased them, was it Brands? was it the managers? it’s all open to interpretation and agendas, whatever way we dress it up its not working.
Well, of course, you can not go down to the smallest detail when it comes to managers' philosophy. After all, there are differences between Ragnick, Klopp, Jesse Marsch, Nagelsmann, etc., but their basic philosophy is the same, and to play that type of football you need players with certain qualities.

There are many different approaches to football, and you have different schools that analyze football differently. That is what makes it interesting, and which is constantly developing the tactical dimension. But if you constantly change managers, and these have different philosophies, you will never get continuity and create development.

It's okay to change managers, but a club can not constantly change philosophy. In PL, the average time of a manager is about 69 games, but the club is constant. A manager who is hired on the basis that he shares the philosophy of the club will also in most cases agree with the players the clubs have identified, and vice versa.
 
Yes but Benitez has proved he’s a class manager. No disrespect but what had levein done before or since
Haha - fair, the pair of them aren’t in the same stratosphere but I’m not comparing them in terms of ability. Just saying the “we need stability so we’re going to stick with this guy for x period” has pitfalls. A failing manager getting more time can be damaging and take a club backwards as well.
 
I think some of the fans will turn. I also think a number of fans, will realise we need to just ride through it. With this [Poor language removed] squad And accept we are unlikely to attract a world class manager.

I don't know if you were at the Watford game mate but the reaction to the game was one of the worst I've seen towards a manager of ours after only a few games in charge and the ground was half empty before the final whistle, the hostility towards Benitez was clear from those fans who were left. Imagine what it will be like if our abysmal run continues in our next lot of games.

I talk to a lot of lads at the game and what I get from the majority of them is that they didn't want him at the club because of the RS connection but will tolerate him to see how he gets on and there is the problem for Benitez, the RS connection, he is being judged from the off.

I've said it plenty of times, I can't stand the man, not because of what he said etc but because he's always been a manager who's a tit with a massive chip on his shoulder. I can't even watch his pre and post match interviews but, I've also said that I want him to do well because if he does well then that means we as a club have done well and that's all what matters to me but I will always think he's a massive tit who I can't stand.
 

I’m certain you don’t care but Sorry fella I’m done you’re filed away with the we other wind up merchants , RS and general whoppers. Enjoy yourself though I’m Sure it’s great fun .
When you stop viewing it as a supporter of everton, you will understand his views as he doesn't see it through the eyes of an Everton supporter.

At least that was his argument yesterday. Need to stop looking at it as a supporter. o_O
 
I love this argument?

Who else, other than 'the press' reports transfer information?

We had some leeway at the very end of the window. The reason we didn't get Diaz isn't on Benitez. Benitez didn't want us to spend money on AMN, though. That's fine, I don't blame him, but that's why we only wanted him on loan. Benitez wasn't happy with any of the right-back options Brands came up with. So he was given the licence to say that he didn't want us to sign them.
So we had money and just decided not to spend it?
FFP was a lie?
Please accept my apologies
 
I don't think it's as easy as that.

For us to be in the running for Klopp we would have to be good in the first place right? But if we were good in the first place then I would want any other top end manager other than Klopp. Club rivalries are supposed to mean something. (He is also a bit of a weirdo).

I agree with your points (maybe not the first one) but we could have done all that without a divisive has been (in my opinion) manager. Its a big job for anyone and they need to be backed as much as they can both financially and from a fanbase point of view. The current manager is getting neither of that so it was always a daft appointment.

You're completely moving the goal posts to suit your argument there mate. You said people don't want benitez because he's a Liverpool legend and he's won things with them. My point is if we appointed klopp tomorrow everyone would be made up with it and hes more of a Liverpool legend then benitez.

I didnt want benitez purely based on the fact that for the last 12 years of his career I've not been overly impressed by him as a manager but he got appointed and I've gotten behind him plus before all of the injuries I enjoyed the football we were playing. So I think he can do well here but we have a mid table squad and that needs to be changed and he needs time to do it.

It doesn't who we get in this fan base is intent on eating its self alive. We had ancelotti in and people wanted him gone. The patients has run out now at the first sign of a bad run we want a new manager and we're never going to go anywhere but backwards with this kind of mentality.
 
100% need a manager to stay and build consistency. My only reservation is committing to it unreservedly, regardless of the evidence on the pitch. While stability is really needed, sticking with the wrong manager for the sake of consistency can be equally damaging to the chopping and changing.

I’ve got a season ticket at Hearts, they appointed Craig Levein and said we have a five year plan - off the back of previous chopping and changing. After his second season I wanted him gone - didn’t look like he had a clue what he was doing. Majority of fans were like “it’s a five year plan, support the team...” he got his five years and we were relegated at the end of it.

18 months into something you can start to have a fully formed idea of what a managers tenure is going to look like, so that is fair to start judging around then and no one should just stick with something if it looks like it's going down the toilet. The difference here is our fanbase want to jump on the managerial roulette wheel after less than 15 games, that is a joke tbh and just driven by previous grievances. Get Conte and put him in charge of our side and we'd get similar results, there isn't any miracle workers out there. We actually did well up to the point Doucoure went but that was the final straw.

Yes Benitez has made mistakes, same as every manager, but with the players out those are magnified because we are on the losing end of matches. Everyone has concerns about zonal but with Mina and DCL in the side who have height and can actually attack a football it would look better than it does now. Albeit not my choice of style.

What we can say is that we have conclusive confirmation that swapping managers does not work. We've had 6 and a caretaker in Moshiri's time alone, when you swap you have the players that were loyal to a particular manager start to look for a way out or not be what the incoming one wants and you have to go through the whole process again. We keep laying foundations in blancmange and wondering why it isn't working.

People need to use their heads to figure out just why we might be struggling at the moment and get behind the team. If we do that hopefully we can put some roots down that we can use as a launchpad.
 
You're completely moving the goal posts to suit your argument there mate. You said people don't want benitez because he's a Liverpool legend and he's won things with them. My point is if we appointed klopp tomorrow everyone would be made up with it and hes more of a Liverpool legend then benitez.

I didnt want benitez purely based on the fact that for the last 12 years of his career I've not been overly impressed by him as a manager but he got appointed and I've gotten behind him plus before all of the injuries I enjoyed the football we were playing. So I think he can do well here but we have a mid table squad and that needs to be changed and he needs time to do it.

It doesn't who we get in this fan base is intent on eating its self alive. We had ancelotti in and people wanted him gone. The patients has run out now at the first sign of a bad run we want a new manager and we're never going to go anywhere but backwards with this kind of mentality.
You enjoyed the football we were playing or you enjoyed some of the results?

We were awful against saints and Burnley other than like 15 minute spells in each game.
 

When you stop viewing it as a supporter of everton, you will understand his views as he doesn't see it through the eyes of an Everton supporter.

At least that was his argument yesterday. Need to stop looking at it as a supporter. o_O
Aye, as said previously, it is that unique type of blue whose opinions on Everton tend to reflect those of the mutants who inhabit RAWK. It is an unusual trait.

If Benitez goes it'll be back onto Dyche and getting relegated as things blues should aspire to.
 
When you stop viewing it as a supporter of everton, you will understand his views as he doesn't see it through the eyes of an Everton supporter.

At least that was his argument yesterday. Need to stop looking at it as a supporter. o_O
I’ll be honest I’m sure he isn’t remotely bothered but I’ve no intentions of feeding the troll or engaging with someone who enjoys winding fellow blues up .
 
I might not like the appointment but I’ve absolutely no problem with those who are happy with it and ultimately I hope they’re proved right . Like you however I do however object to People who blatantly take the proverbial

As I said previously if the bed wetters made their own thread just to slate Benitez and list fantasy managers who would have Iwobi and Davies pinging the ball around beautifully for 90 minutes in the top 4 spots the sensible fans can be left to comment on the manager in peace without having to trawl through hystical posts 24/7 about relegation battles and toxic Goodison 10 games into a season.
 

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