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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Mikey, there is no middle ground on this. You either fall in behind reason or you fall in with the baying mob.
Those who reason aren't all 100% behind Benitez, they just see where the problem is: injuries and long term governance issues at the club.
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No, there are those saying he shouldn't be blamed for things that obviously aren't his fault and are endemic to the club itself over many years.
That's not calling him a 'tactical savant'. Nobody believes he's a genius; at most they simply think any other manager wouldn't get a tune out of this bunch of cowards at a club that's a basket case ran by fools and incompetents.
Furey1878
Player Valuation: £70m
Let's use Newcastle as an example. Let's say they do become one of the superpowers in world football with all their Saudi money, do you honestly believe Eddie Howe is the person they've hired to be challenging for top 4 and trophies?
Benitez has been brought in to keep us afloat while we're crippled by FFP, that's all there is to it. It's sad but that's how it is. It's now on us as supporters to not let the people in charge of this club get away with letting us get to such a position.
We had an excellent December last year from what I remember. Possibly 13 from 15 points, where we beat Chelsea Leicester and Arsenal in 7 days.
I don't actually want to compare with last season because it wasn't proper football, but we are behind where we should be currently. 15 points from 12 games is not good enough.
If we don't improve over the next 3 to 4 games then there is no argument he deserves more time. 1 win in 12 or 13 games gets any manager the sack in this league.
And those of us who don't back the manager also blame the board and DOF
There's a lot more nuance to it then what you are saying Dave
I couldn't really have said more often how annoyed I was when Brands got a new contract. It was actually a pretty remarkable thing to do, it's barely believable.
I've said on here Benitez's biggest mistake was meekly exiting the League Cup, as I expected the season to be dead by now. The cup would have gave some optimism we could achieve something, no matter how unlikely.
If he's dovetailing with Ancelotti's performance last season, then that's good enough, as it was good enough for Ancelotti. He can't seriously be expected to do any better because he was given no money in the transfer window and has the same tools to use as someone lauded as one of the greatest managers in world football.
I think he's sacked by Christmas. But if he is, it should be on merit. Those sticking the knife in now didn't do the same for Ancelotti despite having broadly the same points total - that's the problem I have.
Ancelotti went into Christmas on 26 points. If Benitez is under 22 points at that point, he could be justifiably sacked. But it's too early to being calling for that now.
tommye
Player Valuation: £100m
Morning Mikey.
Have you not met David before?
It's what he does, and credit where it's due, he's very good at it too.
Just laugh at him.
We all do eventually.
NorthernBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
Exactly. He has to stop the rot next weekend. A win is a must and this is what he will rightfully be judged on.
Christmas was after fewer games last year, the league started a month later. It's not comparable.
Equally we were second on boxing day last year, so that's not what should be expected again because it was an extremely false position.
Kev The Rat
Player Valuation: £70m
unfortunately the way things are set up in terms of premier league clubs, you are better off angling for a change of manager than change of ownership in terms of what is realistically achievable.
Nah, you can change the narrative on almost anything if you have a will. Just look at the changes in the wider world being made on different aspects of society from the 1970’s.
Benitez is as accountable as anybody else when it comes to results - as the manager he is the figurehead and has to accept that he's got a responsibility to win football matches. That said, removing him would be akin to rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. You just get the next guy in who is faced with the exact same set of issues but would expect an improvement. He also struggles...and then what?
Everton have had too many managers, which is part of the problem.
Everton have had too many managers, which is part of the problem.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That's not being even handed.
Even handed is to blame everything on the owner, his board and his DoF.
What Benitez is to blame for is not even worth considering in relation to their misgovernance...and anything that has gone wrong under this manager has its roots in the actions of the hierarchy who hired him.
THAT is the only way of framing this debate.
I fully agree on the first point Tubey.
But he's also just not very good.
Both things can be true, and are. He's not to blame for a lot of things.
But we've won one in nine and I honestly can't see where the next win is coming from. We didn't look great even with all of our players fit, and for Benitez to have the gaul to come out and say 'wait for the second half of the season'... nah, he's lucky to be in the job as it is. He was never the right pick.
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