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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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That's not being even handed.

Even handed is to blame everything on the owner, his board and his DoF.

What Benitez is to blame for is not even worth considering in relation to their misgovernance...and anything that has gone wrong under this manager has its roots in the actions of the hierarchy who hired him.

THAT is the only way of framing this debate.
we've won one game in nine, any manager should be under pressure for that run

you rightly blame the owner, board and DoF.

But then why are you so convinced that that same owner, board and DoF have picked the right manager in Benitez? How does that make any sense?
 
That's not being even handed.

Even handed is to blame everything on the owner, his board and his DoF.

What Benitez is to blame for is not even worth considering in relation to their misgovernance...and anything that has gone wrong under this manager has its roots in the actions of the hierarchy who hired him.

THAT is the only way of framing this debate.

No it's not. As much as they have made countless mistakes, they don't pick the team, set tactics or make substitutions. Surely you back the board's decision to appoint Benitez anyway, based on your lavish praise?

The only even handed analysis is to also accept 1 win in 9 games is very poor form and the manager must do better
 
That's not being even handed.

Even handed is to blame everything on the owner, his board and his DoF.

What Benitez is to blame for is not even worth considering in relation to their misgovernance...and anything that has gone wrong under this manager has its roots in the actions of the hierarchy who hired him.

THAT is the only way of framing this debate.

We're a mess from top to bottom mate, Moshiri, Brands, Benitez and the players.
 
We had an excellent December last year from what I remember. Possibly 13 from 15 points, where we beat Chelsea Leicester and Arsenal in 7 days.

I don't actually want to compare with last season because it wasn't proper football, but we are behind where we should be currently. 15 points from 12 games is not good enough.

If we don't improve over the next 3 to 4 games then there is no argument he deserves more time. 1 win in 12 or 13 games gets any manager the sack in this league.

We are 5 points worse off than we were after 12 games last season. That isn't brilliant, but I'm prepared to cut him some slack based on the injuries - we were doing fine until they hit and we've struggled since. We had injuries last season too, of course, but not quite to the same extent. That said, the Watford result was still unacceptable and, as manager, he has to take responsibility for that (although I think most us will agree, whether or not we are willing to openly admit it or not that this gang of cowards we have that sort of collapse in their locker as we have seen on frequent occasions in the last few years)

He's made mistakes so far - the signing of Rondon and the set piece set up until recently, but equally I was quite impressed when he had a full squad to choose from about how he'd managed to find a way of getting the best out of some players. We'd have lost yesterday with more or less any manager in charge and with a full squad, so I won't get too hung on that. What I would say is that injuries or not, he needs to find a way of scraping some results over the next few weeks because although I have some sympathy for the situation, any hint of being in a scrap at the bottom (and no, we aren't *that* far away from it now) will see things spiral as they did under Koeman and SIlva.

The timing of the derby doesn't help one little bit - with a full strength team, I might give us a fighting chance of getting something, but that doesn't appear likely at all and if we lose at Brentford next weekend, the likely defeat at Goodison in the derby might see things start to unravel quickly.

I never wanted the fella at all, but I'm also quite sympathetic to the situation he finds himself in and, all things being equal, I'd like to see him given a fair crack of the whip because God knows we need some stability, but we aren't a million miles away from crisis.
 

It isn't; it's in response to those already being irrational.

Did you see yesterday? It didn't need davek to post anything for them to be 'riled up' - it was a shocker on here. It was like Moshiri/Brands/the players didn't exist.
It's the benitez thread mate. What do you expect to be talked about in here?
 
we've won one game in nine, any manager should be under pressure for that run

you rightly blame the owner, board and DoF.

But then why are you so convinced that that same owner, board and DoF have picked the right manager in Benitez? How does that make any sense?
I dont think that. I think that he deserves a fair crack of the whip: time and resources - neither of which he's had.

I'll judge him when that's happened.
 
That's not being even handed.

Even handed is to blame everything on the owner, his board and his DoF.

What Benitez is to blame for is not even worth considering in relation to their misgovernance...and anything that has gone wrong under this manager has its roots in the actions of the hierarchy who hired him.

THAT is the only way of framing this debate.
The absolute shambles on show on the pitch every week falls at the feet of the coach/manager.
Tactical ineptitude is down to him.
Inability to defend a basic set piece is down to him.
Poor substitutions are down to him.
Delfection of any responsibility for any of the above is down to him.

As things stand he's failing at every level.
 
The absolute shambles on show on the pitch every week falls at the feet of the coach/manager.
Tactical ineptitude is down to him.
Inability to defend a basic set piece is down to him.
Poor substitutions are down to him.
Delfection of any responsibility for any of the above is down to him.

As things stand hes failing at every level.
That's all in the teeth of an injury crisis.

We're mid-table, not rock bottom.
 

I dont think that. I think that he deserves a fair crack of the whip: time and resources - neither of which he's had.

I'll judge him when that's happened.

Fair enough.

I'm judging him on his past 5-6 years which were crap. He's a stubborn, egotistical manager who is, as we are seeing from his ridiculous system that he keeps playing, stuck in 2006-2010 when it comes to how the game is played.

I actually think as a DoF he'd be much better, definitely much better than the muppet in place now, because he's a strong character who wants to build a club, and could be a guiding hand in that sense, but as a manager he's way past it Dave. I feared that when he was appointed but was willing to see if there were early signs. There hasn't been, IMO, because even when we won games I thought, bar one or two performances, there were severe faults to how we played and those faults are still in place and haven't been rectified.
 
I've said on here Benitez's biggest mistake was meekly exiting the League Cup, as I expected the season to be dead by now. The cup would have gave some optimism we could achieve something, no matter how unlikely.

If he's dovetailing with Ancelotti's performance last season, then that's good enough, as it was good enough for Ancelotti. He can't seriously be expected to do any better because he was given no money in the transfer window and has the same tools to use as someone lauded as one of the greatest managers in world football.

I think he's sacked by Christmas. But if he is, it should be on merit. Those sticking the knife in now didn't do the same for Ancelotti despite having broadly the same points total - that's the problem I have.

Ancelotti went into Christmas on 26 points. If Benitez is under 22 points at that point, he could be justifiably sacked. But it's too early to being calling for that now.
Ancelotti had earned more time though by doing well in the 6 months after he took charge, when he pulled us out of the mire from around the relegation places.

He didn't have us circling the relegation places 15 games in to his leadership.
 

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