2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Efcjake]

You can think Benitez won't be the answer. That's fine. But to do so after 12 games, write him off entirely and want him sacked is just so ridiculous that it's honestly laughable.

Give the bloke a bloody chance. Like any manager, if we're mired in relegation danger come January then he'll probably be sacked, it's the nature of the game. But you lot are absolutely praying for it because he dared to manage Liverpool once upon a time. That's what this comes back to, there's no other reason, and it's just so childish.

Why is it ridiculous? Spurs sacked a manager they hired in the summer a few months in when they realized it wasn't working. The rest of us are waiting for us to do the same.


I'm not going to give him a chance more than I've given him. He had to change my mind with results and he's failed so far and I anticipate things will get worse before they get better. From the sounds of what I'm reading even his biggest fans here do too.

Its not just the kopite thing, its who he is as a person, the style of footy and much more than that but the biggest factor is the results. The results are crap and so is he.

He would have to have us around where Carlo had us at this point last season for me to be patient with him and he's nowhere close.

 

[Efcjake]

I love the way "No other manager could do any better than Benitez with this squad and injury list" keeps getting repeated as if it is some sort of undisputable fact despite there being absolutely nothing that supports that.

It's just what you want to believe so you don't have to admit he is doing a really poor job and you were all wrong.

Nobody could say for certain if another manager could or could not do better but there's nothing anyone backing Benitez can actually point to as evidence of him doing a good job right now so that's what they're left with, advocating fear of the unknown in favour of sticking with something that clearly isn't functioning.

 

[sageyefc]

The only thing to look forward to this season is his sacking

 

[Zatara]

Say the board sack him, pay millions in compensation. Then what. Who do we realistically get halfway through the season, no money to spend, an injury crisis and mid-table... Nuno at best, most likely Steve Bruce or Sam Allardyce. What's the point.

This made me laugh. Well done

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

That was my post from earlier but it's not fans job to scout managers and that was a list off the top of my head. I'm not an expert in world football

There will be plenty of managers who are interested, we are an attractive club in the most attractive league.

Keeping someone who is fundamentally the wrong choice is just de;laying the inevitable. We shouldn't be scared of the future, it's not like it can get much worse than this, and it can start to improve very quickly in football.

Are we an attractive club though? Seemingly no money to spend, a poor squad in need of a full rebuild, an erratic owner and no sign of things improving any time soon. Newcastle are now the richest club in the world and they had managers turning them down despite the ‘potential’ they now have. I think managers are wise to poorly run clubs these days.
I agree, Benitez was the wrong choice but taking my blue tinted glasses off I’m not sure we’re the great job we once were and I’m not sure who… right now under the current circumstances takes the job and does better.

 

[Tubey]

I love the way "No other manager could do any better than Benitez with this squad and injury list" keeps getting repeated as if it is some sort of undisputable fact despite there being absolutely nothing that supports that.

It's just what you want to believe so you don't have to admit he is doing a really poor job and you were all wrong.

Nobody could say for certain if another manager could or could not do better but there's nothing anyone backing Benitez can actually point to as evidence of him doing a good job right now so that's what they're left with, advocating fear of the unknown in favour of sticking with something that clearly isn't functioning.

My evidence would be years of management at Everton that couldn't do a thing with actual better options available to them.

As an example, this result against City you're all irate about - 3-0 away yeah?

'Carlo Magnifico' got drubbed 5-0 in May in the same fixture. With this team.

There's nothing whatsoever to suggest Graham Potter or any other flavour of the month would be able to do anything with the current squad. It is what it is; a turd that can only be polished so much, and if you took away the blind hatred of Benitez you'd be able to see it.

 

[Efcjake]

Are we an attractive club though? Seemingly no money to spend, a poor squad in need of a full rebuild, an erratic owner and no sign of things improving any time soon. Newcastle are now the richest club in the world and they had managers turning them down despite the ‘potential’ they now have. I think managers are wise to poorly run clubs these days.
I agree, Benitez was the wrong choice but taking my blue tinted glasses off I’m not sure we’re the great job we once were and I’m not sure who… right now under the current circumstances takes the job and does better.

We are paying top wages to Benitez, 8 mil a year apparently.

There aren't many jobs paying more than ours.

We attracted Carlo Ancelotti here, we can attract a good manager who isn't named Benitez here.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Are we an attractive club though? Seemingly no money to spend, a poor squad in need of a full rebuild, an erratic owner and no sign of things improving any time soon. Newcastle are now the richest club in the world and they had managers turning them down despite the ‘potential’ they now have. I think managers are wise to poorly run clubs these days.
I agree, Benitez was the wrong choice but taking my blue tinted glasses off I’m not sure we’re the great job we once were and I’m not sure who… right now under the current circumstances takes the job and does better.

Newcastle are bottom of the league. No one wants to take a team down when they've just been taken over. It's an entirely different scenario.

All established PL clubs are attractive, especially one which is underachieving. It doesn't take much to look good at Everton. I see it as very similar to Gerrard at Villa. Even a slight improvement and he looks good because he started from a low base of like 16th.

I'm not naive enough to think a new manager and everything changes overnight - because it won't. But I don't think anything will improve until we get a new manager. That is step 1 that needs to be taken, and then we can start overhauling the squad. Under this manager nothing will be overhauled because he is not a long term manager and does not have the backing of the fans

 

[PhilRegan]

I love the way "No other manager could do any better than Benitez with this squad and injury list" keeps getting repeated as if it is some sort of undisputable fact despite there being absolutely nothing that supports that.

It's just what you want to believe so you don't have to admit he is doing a really poor job and you were all wrong.

Nobody could say for certain if another manager could or could not do better but there's nothing anyone backing Benitez can actually point to as evidence of him doing a good job right now so that's what they're left with, advocating fear of the unknown in favour of sticking with something that clearly isn't functioning.

I agree , his subs have alienated us. He's added three of our worst/ pointless players in rondon , lonegran and begovic.

The hamez saga looks even more ridiculous considering we brought nobody else in.

For a defensive tactical genius we have one of if not the worst defence in the league especially at set pieces. We ve conceded some of the easiest goals I've ever seen.

Even when we were " playing good football " we set up to nick a goal on the counter with no plan B.

When this has gone wrong it's been a complete capitulation.

 

[Efcjake]

My evidence would be years of management at Everton that couldn't do a thing with actual better options available to them.

As an example, this result against City you're all irate about - 3-0 away yeah?

'Carlo Magnifico' got drubbed 5-0 in May in the same fixture. With this team.

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There's nothing whatsoever to suggest Graham Potter or any other flavour of the month would be able to do anything with the current squad. It is what it is; a turd that can only be polished so much, and if you took away the blind hatred of Benitez you'd be able to see it.

It was the last day of the season and they'd all checked out for their holidays.

Again, the City match is moot. Nobody expected us to win it, it's the matches we got turned over before that are the bigger worries.

When are we getting our next 3 points? Any of you feel confident enough to speculate?

If you don't think we're getting a win out of the next fixtures of Brentford, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leicester, Palace, and Chelsea then we're looking at around 15-20 points halfway through the season. You cannot defend that.

 

[JLW]

Utter carnage in here, some of the excuses made for Benitez is something I would expect for an Everton club legend.
He’s getting judged on results and style of football like every other manager does, he’s very very crap isn’t he.

 

[marsh]

Atleast he has the League Cup to protect his position

 

[roy vernon]

I get the injuries and thin squad stuff I really do, but, it's the basic bad organisation that is so annoying. On numerous occasions yesterday the defence stepped put and either Keane or Coleman hadn't looked across the line and played everyone onside, we got away with it several times, apart from the obvious one when Coleman played Sterling onside and Sterling scored.

We also always seem to manage to get Digne marking a big 6 foot something defender at the far post when we defend corners from our right side, surely that should have been addressed.

There are, I'm sure, several other examples of us being badly organised at the back, but, to be honest, I can't be arsed thinking about them, it's just too upsetting.

 

[Tubey]

It was the last day of the season and they'd all checked out for their holidays.

Again, the City match is moot. Nobody expected us to win it, it's the matches we got turned over before that are the bigger worries.

When are we getting our next 3 points? Any of you feel confident enough to speculate?

If you don't think we're getting a win out of the next fixtures of Brentford, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leicester, Palace, and Chelsea then we're looking at around 15-20 points halfway through the season. You cannot defend that.

I can't see that squad getting three points before the Burnley game, but unlike most on here I don't think the manager is the reason why. I think with injuries/suspensions he's going into the Brentford game with one of the all-time worst ever Premier League teams to pick. Even without injuries I'd only expect what Ancelotti managed to do, it's all the squad is possibly capable of.

I just don't get the blame Benitez logic here, at all. There was one game where he was largely at fault for the result because of a baffling team selection and somehow even worse subs, but that's it. Everything else that has happened is pretty much to be expected, because it's happened over and over again with largely the same players for years on end, before Benitez is here.

At some point you should be able to recognise the pattern here.

 

[Zatara]

The only thing to look forward to this season is his sacking

The ride downhill will be a rollercoaster.

Whether its fun to watch a rollercoaster going off the rails isnt debateable.

it isnt going to be fun or pretty to watch.

My evidence would be years of management at Everton that couldn't do a thing with actual better options available to them.

As an example, this result against City you're all irate about - 3-0 away yeah?

'Carlo Magnifico' got drubbed 5-0 in May in the same fixture. With this team.

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There's nothing whatsoever to suggest Graham Potter or any other flavour of the month would be able to do anything with the current squad. It is what it is; a turd that can only be polished so much, and if you took away the blind hatred of Benitez you'd be able to see it.

Did we stand off City in that game 3-5 yards in all areas of the pitch?

We looked like we were on the beach in that game...whats the reason to look like weve downed tools in our 12th game ?