2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[BlueToff]

You're not even listening are you?

I just added onto your point of what we know.

You know, 'the facts'

 

[Nymzee]

This spot going to be very sour when we’re near the bottom come New Year. A lone few Spanish addicts batting the logic away.

 

[Martin Alvito]

I don't know how anyone can disagree with this, but I'll add one more thing - it's been 12 league games. Twelve! And we're 11th! I'd understand this reaction a bit more if Benitez had been in place even a year and we were in the doldrums, I'd at least understand the frustration. But now?

Bloody hell.

This is a takedown. It's not about analysing what's gone wrong and what we need to do to fix it; it's about presenting everything as a crisis. Upcoming derby - a crisis; next run of games up to Christmas - a crisis if they keep Benitez; keep Benitez into the new year - the crisis of a relegation fight.

This isn't about football, it's about about what a handful of people demand to be the club's identity, because 'they feel it more than the rest of us'. In other words it's elitist and purist and their self-importance is nauseating to the vast majority of Evertonians.

Yeah, these. Not much left to add. He's a guy, doing a job. Let him do the job and judge him on the results, not on who he used to manage. Sure, recent results have not been good. Absolutely no one has gotten good results with what he's trying to manage at the moment. Not Silva, not Ancelotti. When they had to cope with injuries, they couldn't, because the bench is not up to Prem standard.

Silva seems to be showing that he's a decent manager right now. Ancelotti and Benitez have track records. Changing the manager again won't fix the problems. It will just compound them.

 

[BlueToff]

Yeah, these. Not much left to add. He's a guy, doing a job. Let him do the job and judge him on the results, not on who he used to manage. Sure, recent results have not been good. Absolutely no one has gotten good results with what he's trying to manage at the moment. Not Silva, not Ancelotti. When they had to cope with injuries, they couldn't, because the bench is not up to Prem standard.

Silva seems to be showing that he's a decent manager right now. Ancelotti and Benitez have track records. Changing the manager again won't fix the problems. It will just compound them.

I don't think we should change the manager now.

I definitely don't buy that he's in any way the right pick moving forward beyond this season, though.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

This spot going to be very sour when we’re near the bottom come New Year. A lone few Spanish addicts batting the logic away.

I think you mean 'when we are closer to the top of the Championship'.

glass half full n all that...

 

[Nymzee]

I think you mean 'when we are closer to the top of the Championship'.

glass half full n all that...

Lose the first 3 games of the Championship season but say it’s okay, it’s just because we have a few injuries.

 

[MACCA75]

The players seem terrified to move out of their shape under Benitez. It’s like he’s drilled all football intelligence out of them.

Best summed up by Wolves playing between the lines at will and City knocking it around like we were statues.

 

[kenada_blue]

Why not have played a midfield three of Allan, Davies and Delph/Gbamin at Wolves? When we'd just conceded 5 at home to Watford and he goes and starts a two in midfield with one of them being a lad who's not started a PL game in 2 years? You'd think the sensible, 'pragmatic' approach would be to sure things up, would you not? It's not even like he played Gordon to compensate for that midfield two, he played friggin Iwobi.

'kin ell. It's not hard is it? The bloke has been dealt a bad hand, I get it. It's not all his fault, and nothing at the club above him is. But 1 win in 9 is on him, he's the manager. He has to make the decisions, he has to come up with a plan. We knew Doucoure was out the day after West Ham, and he had a week to work on a plan and served up that s*** v Wolves.

He managed to patch it up to play Spurs but that was just two terribly out of form teams going up against each other. We nearly lost too. It wasn't a good performance at all, it was just slightly less crap than the one before it.

City - yeah, they were always going to beat us probably. But we played the same way v City as we did v West Ham and Wolves in the first half. Sat off in a shape, didn't pressurise the ball or have any idea what to do with it in attack when we had it, and for some reason he thinks that Richarlison is like DCL and is going to win loads of aereals.

I don't understand why it's one extreme to the other here? Not everything is on him but a fair bit is too.

Why not play Gbamin if he's fit? He's the closest to Doucoure who was missing in the Watford game and it showed, so keep the same shape and try him out. It's wasn't like Davies ripped it up in that last game either. He soon took him off, saw the error, and hasn't looked like playing him since.

It's not all surprising that a new manager will try to fit players into their system to see it works. It's called finding your team and was always going to be an issue.

For every game that if works, there'll be ones that don't. Happened to Carlo. The next step would be to find the players that do.

Or just fire the manager and expect something different to happen.

 

[Noble Savage]

Yeah, these. Not much left to add. He's a guy, doing a job. Let him do the job and judge him on the results, not on who he used to manage. Sure, recent results have not been good. Absolutely no one has gotten good results with what he's trying to manage at the moment. Not Silva, not Ancelotti. When they had to cope with injuries, they couldn't, because the bench is not up to Prem standard.

Silva seems to be showing that he's a decent manager right now. Ancelotti and Benitez have track records. Changing the manager again won't fix the problems. It will just compound them.

Trouble is that RB's recent record is average at Newcastle and god awful in China . He has done very little in the mean time with questionable tactics and inflexibility .
One in 9 is sackable for if you look at sackings made in the top two tiers of English football .
If we don't beat Brentford ( who aren't doing well either ) , you can see everyone's heads go just before the RS do us in what they must see as a well attended training session .
Going to be a totally different derby as I acknowledge we have injuries but we also have a manager who isn't up to the job and who's redeeming quality is that he lives local and loves the city .

 

[BlueToff]

Why not play Gbamin if he's fit? He's the closest to Doucoure who was missing in the Watford game and it showed, so keep the same shape and try him out. It's wasn't like Davies ripped it up in that last game either. He soon took him off, saw the error, and hasn't looked like playing him since.

It's not all surprising that a new manager will try to fit players into their system to see it works. It's called finding your team and was always going to be an issue.

For every game that if works, there'll be ones that don't. Happened to Carlo. The next step would be to find the players that do.

Or just fire the manager and expect something different to happen.

But you don't just throw in a player who's not played in 2 years and ask him to do that role mate, this isn't FIFA.

So, you have to change the shape. Had the recruitment team, and the finances, worked as they should have done in the summer we'd have got a midfielder in who could fill in but we didn't.

The manager, any manager, should know what works and what won't work if fans like you and I know it won't work mate. Why's he getting paid whatever he's on if he can't see that Davies isn't going to replace Doucoure or that Gbamin might need a bit more help in there to start off with?

It's simple, simple stuff.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

Let him do the job and judge him on the results,

All the previous managers were judged on the results though, and that's why they were booted out (Carlo excluding). Why should it be different for Rafael? It's very possible we could be sat here in a couple of weeks and it's been 1 win in 10/11/12 or 3/4/5 points from 30 as we approach the half way point, if that's been sacking form for the previous managers shouldn't it be the same for Rafael?

 

[billyblue80]

We lose at Brentford we aren't getting anything in the derby then we go into Arsenal needing to win. I see no wins right now

 

[kenada_blue]

But you don't just throw in a player who's not played in 2 years and ask him to do that role mate, this isn't FIFA.

So, you have to change the shape. Had the recruitment team, and the finances, worked as they should have done in the summer we'd have got a midfielder in who could fill in but we didn't.

The manager, any manager, should know what works and what won't work if fans like you and I know it won't work mate. Why's he getting paid whatever he's on if he can't see that Davies isn't going to replace Doucoure or that Gbamin might need a bit more help in there to start off with?

It's simple, simple stuff.

When would he be ready? Another 2 months of 20min games. You're either fit or not to play. He gave him 45mins and hauled him off. It's the same gamble as throwing Onyango or Simms on that some are championing. It works or it doesn't.

Managers always feel their way round a team and if the players can't do what they're told, they don't play even if it's plain to see for us. We've had that since Koeman, happens with any manager at any club. It's why the word "philosophy" gets thrown about.

 

[BlueToff]

When would he be ready? Another 2 months of 20min games. You're either fit or not to play. He gave him 45mins and hauled him off. It's the same gamble as throwing Onyango or Simms on that some are championing. It works or it doesn't.

Managers always feel their way round a team and if the players can't do what they're told, they don't play even if it's plain to see for us. We've had that since Koeman, happens with any manager at any club. It's why the word "philosophy" gets thrown about.

You play him but you realise you need to add protection in? It's simple mate it really is.

You're spot on, he has to play or we won't know. But you don't just lump a player into a PL midfield for the first time in two years and put him next to Allan and say 'do what our most important player does'.

So you have to change shape, because that's the options we have. The only midfielder we have in the squad who makes a two work, right now, is Doucoure. That means that if he is out, we have to change shape. That needs amending by going out and getting a new player in, but in the meantime you have to be flexible with the system.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

Lose the first 3 games of the Championship season but say it’s okay, it’s just because we have a few injuries.

But of course! Can't expect the team to put in some effort or string two passes together or defend the occasional corner if the first choice 11 aren't on the pitch at all times. That's just crazy talk.