2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[kenada_blue]

Not quite. You literally said:
Van Dijke got crocked and their season crumbled. 1 major player.

That's you suggesting 1 injury ripped them apart. I mean, even claiming 1 major player if that's your argument still isn't correct as I've said. Matip, Gomez, Henderson, fabinho, keita, thiago all had significant injuries for them. Or aside from their strikers, is only vvd important for them?

Why would that mean I want a bouncy manager. I want a manager that even on difficult games, will instruct and try to motivate the players. Instead, he sat slumped in his chair and did nothing from the first whistle. He conceded that game before he even came out the tunnel. Doesn't matter the opposition, at least give it a go.

Yes. Their 1 key player as they coped and had players to fill in adequately to finish 3rd, have 4th best defensive record, and joint 3 highest goals scored.

You telling me that happens if Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Henderson all got injured the same time? Which is basically comparable to us at the moment with Dom, Gray, Richarlison, Doucoure, Mina all out.

 

[Marius57]

Yes. Their 1 key player as they coped and had players to fill in adequately to finish 3rd, have 4th best defensive record, and joint 3 highest goals scored.

You telling me that happens if Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Henderson all got injured the same time? Which is basically comparable to us at the moment with Dom, Gray, Richarlison, Doucoure, Mina all out.

OK pal. I'll just ignore the facts of their injuries and say they only had 1 injury if that helps you feel better about benitez.

Still doesn't explain why benitez appeared to have conceded the game before we even kicked off on sunday. Even allardyce would have had the team we picked on Sunday attempting to have a go and not looking like a shambles defensively. I mean, he got players like martina looking like he knew what he was doing defensively.

 

[roy vernon]

OK pal. I'll just ignore the facts of their injuries and say they only had 1 injury if that helps you feel better about benitez.

Still doesn't explain why benitez appeared to have conceded the game before we even kicked off on sunday. Even allardyce would have had the team we picked on Sunday attempting to have a go and not looking like a shambles defensively. I mean, he got players like martina looking like he knew what he was doing defensively.

This is the big problem with Benitez and his tactics for me, it was the same before the ‘injuries’ as well, how on earth can you attempt to play break away football when your defence is a shambles. Benitez has taken the best part of Ancelotti’s team, the well organised defence and made it look like the comedy club. You really can’t play counter attacking football if it is not based on a well drilled, watertight defence.

I accept that we have had a terrible run with injuries, but, it really wasn’t too good before them, we picked up points against poor sides, I include Ole’s Utd. in that, but played, for the most part, kick and rush football. It was always going to end in tears once we started playing the better sides.

I’m afraid that our luck has ran out now, I don’t think we will sack Benitez unless we find ourselves in a relegation battle, and that, in itself, is depressing. We will get another 18 months of bobbing around in lower mid table, watching his anti football and listening to him blaming anybody with the remotest links to the club for it, to cover up his own inadequacies.

 

[kenada_blue]

OK pal. I'll just ignore the facts of their injuries and say they only had 1 injury if that helps you feel better about benitez.

Still doesn't explain why benitez appeared to have conceded the game before we even kicked off on sunday. Even allardyce would have had the team we picked on Sunday attempting to have a go and not looking like a shambles defensively. I mean, he got players like martina looking like he knew what he was doing defensively.

1 key injury. There's a difference.

And I'm not too bothered about how we play away against City in our current status. Park the bus, some will complain, some will say it was good. Have a go and get beat, same response.

 

[Marius57]

1 key injury. There's a difference.

And I'm not too bothered about how we play away against City in our current status. Park the bus, some will complain, some will say it was good. Have a go and get beat, same response.

But you would at least want the manager and the players to give it a go right? regardless of whether it'd park the bus or not.

Why should the players be bothered when the manager clearly wasn't.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I don't disagree with this basic principle but why this manager? Why have you not adopted this policy with any of our other recent managers? Why have you waited for possibly the most controversial appointment before making this stand? It's weird.

He isn't the most controversial appointment in my eyes though - Benitez only seems to trigger a select few supporters.

Doesn't it show how small time we've become Windy that we put a manager with a CV of winning a Champions League, La Liga, Europa League, FA Cup & Copa Italia as being way more controversial than of a novice like Marco Silva or relegation fighting specialist like Alladyce just because he once managed Liverpool nearly 2 decades ago?

 

[kenada_blue]

But you would at least want the manager and the players to give it a go right? regardless of whether it'd park the bus or not.

Why should the players be bothered when the manager clearly wasn't.

These players haven't been bothered for seasons under different managers which is why it needs time and a overhaul.

Having a go at Rafael and getting rid of him won't change the fact 80% of this squad is awful. Each poor performance people come gunning for him forget the squad has hardly changed for 4 seasons but managers have and still not got a tune out of it

 

[ToffeeTim]

He isn't the most controversial appointment in my eyes though - Benitez only seems to trigger a select few supporters.

Doesn't it show how small time we've become Windy that we put a manager with a CV of winning a Champions League, La Liga, Europa League, FA Cup & Copa Italia as being way more controversial than of a novice like Marco Silva or relegation fighting specialist like Alladyce just because he once managed Liverpool nearly 2 decades ago?

There's no debate on this point, it's a fact.

 

[Marius57]

He isn't the most controversial appointment in my eyes though - Benitez only seems to trigger a select few supporters.

Doesn't it show how small time we've become Windy that we put a manager with a CV of winning a Champions League, La Liga, Europa League, FA Cup & Copa Italia as being way more controversial than of a novice like Marco Silva or relegation fighting specialist like Alladyce just because he once managed Liverpool nearly 2 decades ago?

I hated allardyce as well and said at the time he was the wrong appointment and wasn't needed. I stopped watching us under him. I'd rather we at least attempt to have a long term plan with a manager such as taking moyes who was a novice, (I wasn't particularly enamoured by Silva as for the amount we ended up paying, there were better options), but it showed that we wanted to build something.

You say because he once managed Liverpool nearly 2 decades ago to reflect how long ago it was, but use his trophies, also from that time as a way to show why we should want him, if the managing Liverpool isn't relevant because of how long ago, neither are his trophies surely?

 

[ToffeeTim]

I agree with you. But it's 12 games in, he's still got to figure out who can do what not just change a system to fit 1 player for example.

It'll take time. Cant just change a system after 1 training session and expect it to work. There's plenty of times you've seen a match where that happened. Carlo was doing it a lot when injuries kicked in (Davies and Iwobi as wingbacks ffs).

This isn't surprising to me. He'll find out who the frauds are, who he can trust, and we'll get over a slump. It's another reset.

He surely didn't need more time to work this out?

Anyone who has watched Everton over the last 2 or 3 years could have told him.

 

[CJR]

I didn't want Benitez, but he is here now, we all know and have complained about the club long enough to know there is a lot wrong behind the scenes on the football side, to many jobs for the boys, no targets or goals seem to be set or judged against, the same people stay in position year after year and Manager after Manager, sadly our only hope for change is Benitez slowly but surely changing the club from within, weeding out people and changing the whole mentality of the club, no more coasting for players, coaches, physios, agents.

 

[d34noj]

You right mate. But he did create and score goals which we could do with at the monent

If only we had a creative goalscoring midfielder available to us.

 

[StuBarlow]

He isn't the most controversial appointment in my eyes though - Benitez only seems to trigger a select few supporters.

We must have different meanings of the word. It must be almost a 50/50 split and out the pro FSW supporters many aren't pleased but will back him.

Then there's the other end like yourself who has setup camp in his backside.

 

[StuBarlow]

You say because he once managed Liverpool nearly 2 decades ago to reflect how long ago it was, but use his trophies, also from that time as a way to show why we should want him, if the managing Liverpool isn't relevant because of how long ago, neither are his trophies surely?

Rondon and FSW are proof you goto a league like China and it's one last payday as you are past it. Niether are good enough or should have come back to the top tier of English football. A 31.6% win rate in the Chinese league is testament to that.

 

[Dixieslaces]

He isn't the most controversial appointment in my eyes though - Benitez only seems to trigger a select few supporters.

Doesn't it show how small time we've become Windy that we put a manager with a CV of winning a Champions League, La Liga, Europa League, FA Cup & Copa Italia as being way more controversial than of a novice like Marco Silva or relegation fighting specialist like Alladyce just because he once managed Liverpool nearly 2 decades ago?

Its a simple logic, he quite simply, is THE single most controversial appointment in Everton's History due to the association with that lot, which has been mentioned by Moshiri, Fans and the media regularly so is hardly not relevant, and he doesn't just trigger a select few supporters, some are just not that vocal about it.

I guarantee that after the Derby, if we suffer a defeat(Who am I Kidding, When!) the toxicity will be a whole different level, may even hit after Brentford if we "Settle" for a point!!

We AREN'T small time, we just act like the Cuck Club we have become due to absolutely shocking management from the top down and is becoming institutionalised within the club and THAT needs to change and that change starts with removing the one who has exacerbated the division within the fan base and then the rest!