2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Spadge Vernacular]

He isn't the most controversial appointment in my eyes though - Benitez only seems to trigger a select few supporters.

Doesn't it show how small time we've become Windy that we put a manager with a CV of winning a Champions League, La Liga, Europa League, FA Cup & Copa Italia as being way more controversial than of a novice like Marco Silva or relegation fighting specialist like Alladyce just because he once managed Liverpool nearly 2 decades ago?

When the mighty blues were fighting amongst the top 4/top 2 this time last year and the feel good factor was all around the Everton family, you hated it - in fact you said that you were done with this club.

When the feel good factor vanished and Kopite legend Benitez was announced your were delighted and now seem equally thrilled that Everton are in a bad state, back to winding good blues up and throwing these lol around. Why is that? ?

 

[barneygumble]

He isn't the most controversial appointment in my eyes though - Benitez only seems to trigger a select few supporters.

Doesn't it show how small time we've become Windy that we put a manager with a CV of winning a Champions League, La Liga, Europa League, FA Cup & Copa Italia as being way more controversial than of a novice like Marco Silva or relegation fighting specialist like Alladyce just because he once managed Liverpool nearly 2 decades ago?

The reality is, if he hadn't of managed Liverpool, he'd not be getting the same level of stick.

Allardyce was the worst appointment in our history. Complete panic button for no reason. When you reflect and see who was throwing their names into the hat like Tuchel, Rangnick etc... it boils my blood.

This time we interviewed Vitor Pereira, because Kenwright was impressed 8 years ago when we appointed Martinez.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Its a simple logic, he quite simply, is THE single most controversial appointment in Everton's History due to the association with that lot, which has been mentioned by Moshiri, Fans and the media regularly so is hardly not relevant, and he doesn't just trigger a select few supporters, some are just not that vocal about it.

I guarantee that after the Derby, if we suffer a defeat(Who am I Kidding, When!) the toxicity will be a whole different level, may even hit after Brentford if we "Settle" for a point!!

We AREN'T small time, we just act like the Cuck Club we have become due to absolutely shocking management from the top down and is becoming institutionalised within the club and THAT needs to change and that change starts with removing the one who has exacerbated the division within the fan base and then the rest!

Maybe the select few radicals on here - every other Blues forum I read still has the majority backing him and I've seen few on twitter calling him out most are calling out the board/chairman/Brands/players and rightfully so Benitez has been here 5 seconds this clubs been a mess for decades.

Losing to Liverpool isn't a sackable offence - we lose to Liverpool quite a lot particularly if we're missing 9 players and they have a near fully fit side.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

There's no debate on this point, it's a fact.

But only to those who get triggered by him. I personally couldn't give two hoots who he managed previously.

If you do thats your cross to bear.

 

[Marius57]

The reality is, if he hadn't of managed Liverpool, he'd not be getting the same level of stick.

Allardyce was the worst appointment in our history. Complete panic button for no reason. When you reflect and see who was throwing their names into the hat like Tuchel, Rangnick etc... it boils my blood.

This time we interviewed Vitor Pereira, because Kenwright was impressed 8 years ago when we appointed Martinez.

The funny thing is, it isn't hard to endear yourself to fans even if your history is awful.

Allardyce brought Sammy Lee with him and we all despaired. Allardyce made no attempt to endear himself. Sammy Lee on the other hand, spoke passionately about us, celebrated every goal as if he had been part of the club his whole life and actually, quite quickly got fans on side.

Benitez could do that, but if you watched him against City, he had already thrown in the towel and didn't care. He also could have addressed his comment properly (which clearly is an issue for some supporters but he chose not to).

 

[ToffeeTim]

But only to those who get triggered by him. I personally couldn't give two hoots who he managed previously.

If you do thats your cross to bear.

Whether you do or not doesn't really matter, because lots do. And lots of others have other reasons for being disillusioned. You can't ignore the facts.

His past connections are a big factor, but definitely not the only factor.

 

[barneygumble]

The funny thing is, it isn't hard to endear yourself to fans even if your history is awful.

Allardyce brought Sammy Lee with him and we all despaired. Allardyce made no attempt to endear himself. Sammy Lee on the other hand, spoke passionately about, celebrated every goal as if he had been part of the club his whole life and actually, quite quickly got fans on side.

Benitez could do that, but if you watched him against City, he had already thrown in the towel and didn't care. He also could have addressed his comment properly (which clearly is an issue for some supporters but he chose not to).

I mean, no one can defend the performance against Manchester City, and I get your frustration mate, I really do, but there wasn't a chance we were getting anything from that.

I can't really beat him. I've mentioned before that we'll continue to struggle in places like City, until we decide to actually step up and control the pace of the game, which we're never doing with the player who can do that missing (Doucoure).

I can't remember Benitez ever celebrating a goal, so I'm not expecting it. I'm not really sure what I'm meant to say to you here, if you're picking holes in him for not celebrating wildly. I refuse to believe he didn't care, just not having it. This runs been dismal, especially the Watford result, but not having that he doesn't care.

 

[Dixieslaces]

Maybe the select few radicals on here - every other Blues forum I read still has the majority backing him and I've seen few on twitter calling him out most are calling out the board/chairman/Brands/players and rightfully so Benitez has been here 5 seconds this clubs been a mess for decades.

Losing to Liverpool isn't a sackable offence - we lose to Liverpool quite a lot particularly if we're missing 9 players and they have a near fully fit side.

Having seen many losses against that lot, I agree with you on that but on this occasion, I have to disagree on whether its a sackable offence.

It will come down to the manner of that defeat or the reaction of the kopites or a combination of the two that will see him gone fairly soon afterwards, the message will be loud and clear, especially if we don't get a win against Brentford, the form would be unacceptable and would get most managers the sack.

 

[Marius57]

I mean, no one can defend the performance against Manchester City, and I get your frustration mate, I really do, but there wasn't a chance we were getting anything from that.

I can't really beat him. I've mentioned before that we'll continue to struggle in places like City, until we decide to actually step up and control the pace of the game, which we're never doing with the player who can do that missing (Doucoure).

I can't remember Benitez ever celebrating a goal, so I'm not expecting it. I'm not really sure what I'm meant to say to you here, if you're picking holes in him for not celebrating wildly. I refuse to believe he didn't care, just not having it. This runs been dismal, especially the Watford result, but not having that he doesn't care.

I don't want him to wildly celebrate or be bouncy etc. But he didn't leave his seat the whole game. He had thrown in the towel before we even started. I get, we were expected to lose, I accept that. But we went into it just accepting it, the manager and the players. Just because we are missing some players, doesn't mean the players on the pitch shouldn't get coached, or instructed or managed by the manager during the game.

But my point is that, small things can endear yourself to the fans. Even from the moment he took over he had the chance to do something small, to address the comment which, like I say is an issue for some, but he chose not to deal with it. Little things like that can make a big difference. In Sammy Lees case, he did wildly celebrate but that was just just example of how it can be done.

 

[kenada_blue]

He surely didn't need more time to work this out?

Anyone who has watched Everton over the last 2 or 3 years could have told him.

Of course. But thats why fans of all football clubs think they know more than their managers when it goes wrong.

Name of the game.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Having seen many losses against that lot, I agree with you on that but on this occasion, I have to disagree on whether its a sackable offence.

It will come down to the manner of that defeat or the reaction of the kopites or a combination of the two that will see him gone fairly soon afterwards, the message will be loud and clear, especially if we don't get a win against Brentford, the form would be unacceptable and would get most managers the sack.

As it stands at the moment we'll be going into the derby without:

DCL
Doucoure
Mina
Gray
Gomes
Davies
Allan (if rumours are true)

Absolutely no way we get anything but a loss with those absentees. A draw would feel like a win with the team we'll be putting oot.

 

[barneygumble]

I don't want him to wildly celebrate or be bouncy etc. But he didn't leave his seat the whole game. He had thrown in the towel before we even started. I get, we were expected to lose, I accept that. But we went into it just accepting it, the manager and the players. Just because we are missing some players, doesn't mean the players on the pitch shouldn't get coached, or instructed or managed by the manager during the game.

But my point is that, small things can endear yourself to the fans. Even from the moment he took over he had the chance to do something small, to address the comment which, like I say is an issue for some, but he chose not to deal with it. Little things like that can make a big difference. In Sammy Lees case, he did wildly celebrate but that was just just example of how it can be done.

Well i know that's a slight exaggeration, but I don't mind if he's not animated, as long as we're getting results.

The players are still the problem for me, and the divisive decision to appoint Benitez obviously meant when we started to have a bad spell (regardless of the circumstances) meant everything would turn toxic. These players have had 7 managers and they don't care, they're not interested. I wouldn't appoint Benitez, but he's here, and giving him £1.5m isn't really going to allow him to change things up, but we saw immediately with Gray and Townsend the players he things can make an impact.

Perhaps Benitez could do more, but Martinez did that, and that went south. A faux celebration means nothing, no one would care if we were 4th and he stood still. For me, I'm just trying not to be reactionary, we're missing players, which is the clichéd defence, but when they return, if we don't improve, then I'll be happy to start casting further doubt. Until then, he needs to change things, desperately.

 

[Zatara]

More ways to skin a cat. There's plenty of things to do, the manager made one and it didn't work.

I bet no one said when they saw Gbamin start against Wolves "Oooh I hope we protect him". No, he was fit and signed off ready to play after 2 years of not being in that position.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing to turn round and then go "Onyango should've started" having seen him play 0 senior minutes though and think he'd make an impact.

Id be amazed if no one thought...

WOW hes starting a player whose been out for 2 seasons without any real sub mins.

 

[Zatara]

This is the big problem with Benitez and his tactics for me, it was the same before the ‘injuries’ as well, how on earth can you attempt to play break away football when your defence is a shambles. Benitez has taken the best part of Ancelotti’s team, the well organised defence and made it look like the comedy club. You really can’t play counter attacking football if it is not based on a well drilled, watertight defence.

I accept that we have had a terrible run with injuries, but, it really wasn’t too good before them, we picked up points against poor sides, I include Ole’s Utd. in that, but played, for the most part, kick and rush football. It was always going to end in tears once we started playing the better sides.

I’m afraid that our luck has ran out now, I don’t think we will sack Benitez unless we find ourselves in a relegation battle, and that, in itself, is depressing. We will get another 18 months of bobbing around in lower mid table, watching his anti football and listening to him blaming anybody with the remotest links to the club for it, to cover up his own inadequacies.

Ive been saying the same.

How to play counter attack, soak up pressure and hit them on the break when you have such a weak defence?

 

[Papa Shango]

Maybe the select few radicals on here - every other Blues forum I read still has the majority backing him and I've seen few on twitter calling him out most are calling out the board/chairman/Brands/players and rightfully so Benitez has been here 5 seconds this clubs been a mess for decades.

Losing to Liverpool isn't a sackable offence - we lose to Liverpool quite a lot particularly if we're missing 9 players and they have a near fully fit side.

We haven't lost to them at Goodison in the past 4 seasons. We also have not lost to them in the past 3 games home or away...