2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[JMT]

I really do not want to sack another manager and start this whole cycle again pushing us even further back but the results have been terrible.
If he doesn't get a win out of the next two he has to be sacked.

 

[NeroCeasar]

This must be longest thread of excuses ever on GOT, 1887 and counting

 

[PhilRegan]

The vast majority of these players are not good enough. It really doesn't matter who is in charge of them. Benitez must know that too now. I haven't liked all his tactics but these results were fairly predictable from any one who knows our squad. We have some poor players - no need to name them - it's easier to name the 3 I'd keep - but the lack of heart is unforgiveable. I think Benitez is the best chance we have of rebuilding which is an absolute priority whoever is in charge. He's box seat for that imho. I'll be at Palace next week so am praying we don't see another gutless display.

It does though Terry as the previous regime got much more out of the same squad last year. The tactics are none existent we had counter attack and nothing else. Crap at set pieces can't string a few passes together , crap long balls, crap defence.

Hes never built anything though how is thus mess our best Hope ? We need points now or forget about re building.

 

[james_v02]

Yup. Because hiring a Portugese bloke who is tactically out-dated and finished at the highest level to replace a Spanish bloke who is tactically out-dated and finished at the highest level is the logical next step for Mr Moshiri. Will probably only cost us £14m in wages instead of £8m. Can just see Nemanja Matic and Tom Davies dominating the middle of the park, can't you?!?!.......

[from BBC gossip page]


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Good for Mourinho that he has won stuff in the past, BUT imo, he might be a worse appointment than Benitez because he cost more and plays the blame game way more.

We saw Mourinho fractured the dressing room, the club and fans within a short frame of time in his previous few managerial jobs.
Not to mention, how much he sulked when the players he want wasn't signed. Everton currently has no money for him to spend, so he just have to rely on his tactics, but look at at our defenders, I don't think his park-the-bus would do much good either.

Currently, what Everton needs more are new players and new board.

 

[Marius57]

If anyone picks Potter or Lampard over the special one because they are "young and progressive" it shows you all you need to know when Lampard had the current Champions of Europe 9th in the table and Potterball is on a similiar winless run as the current "worst manager in our 'istory".

Moyes isn't young or progressive yet is doing a decent job with WHU...

Didn't he finish 4th with them while bringing through youth players due to a transfer ban?

Then, when the ban ended, they signed a load of expensive players he didn't want and he was pressured into playing them all immediately and they didn't adapt quickly.

 

[d34noj]

Out of curiosity if you owned the club....and Benitez went, with this current crop of cowards... Bare in mind that the majority of the players have seen off 4 managers.

Who would you bring in and what would be your vision for the club?

Tell me, who are these majority of players that have player under Koeman/Allardyce, Silva, Ancelotti and now Benitez?

Pickford?
Keane?
Sigurdsson?
Calvert Lewin?
Tosun?? (Can we even count him)

Not sure that's a majority mate.

As for who I'd bring in, to be honest I don't know - I'd like a young progressive manager who understands the modern game, not someone who thinks it's a great idea to play 442 against Liverpool.

 

[kenada_blue]

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Tell me, who are these majority of players that have player under Koeman/Allardyce, Silva, Ancelotti and now Benitez?

Pickford?
Keane?
Sigurdsson?
Calvert Lewin?
Tosun?? (Can we even count him)

Not sure that's a majority mate.

As for who I'd bring in, to be honest I don't know - I'd like a young progressive manager who understands the modern game, not someone who thinks it's a great idea to play 442 against Liverpool.

Coleman too

And I think it's more the case that whatever squad that's been amassed, they're completely spineless mice who fleeting show a little bit of fight for the odd game. Additionally it's quality or lacking in it.

They couldn't perform for Ancelotti in spells. That's a very telling of a squad that they won't perform for a manager of that calibre.

The idea of bringing a young progressive manager (like there's a lot of them and we did with Silva) with this squad you'd expect the same struggles.

Better long term of course so I'm not against it but would they get that time?

 

[tsubaki]

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Coleman too

And I think it's more the case that whatever squad that's been amassed, they're completely spineless mice who fleeting show a little bit of fight for the odd game. Additionally it's quality or lacking in it.

They couldn't perform for Ancelotti in spells. That's a very telling of a squad that they won't perform for a manager of that calibre.

The idea of bringing a young progressive manager (like there's a lot of them and we did with Silva) with this squad you'd expect the same struggles.

Better long term of course so I'm not against it but would they get that time?

Whoever comes in has to have the confidence that Moyes did and clear out the failures, almost as their first action. I don’t buy the progressive idea of a manager but setting out early what is and what is not acceptable has to be done.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I'd take a regressive manager who wins and doesn't lead us to utterly cowardly capitulation at HOME to them.

Worse than the utterly embarrassing aways that Moyes, Silva and Martinez served up at various points.

He can spin my opinion, but he needs to get some battling performances and nick points with the resources he's got (I.e. the injuries) and show signs of a plan when in a better position.

If he gets time of course.

 

[Marius57]

I'd take a regressive manager who wins and doesn't lead us to utterly cowardly capitulation at HOME to them.

Worse than the utterly embarrassing aways that Moyes, Silva and Martinez served up at various points.

He can spin my opinion, but he needs to get some battling performances and nick points with the resources he's got (I.e. the injuries) and show signs of a plan when in a better position.

If he gets time of course.

This. We got told for months he will get them battling and working hard. Yet because of injuries, that apparently doesn't matter anymore and he shouldn't be expected to do anything until they are back.

Against City, he didn't even leave his seat which was considered fine because the players he had out are "hopeless".

Doesn't matter what players he has out, it starts with him. If he is out of his seat, shouting instructing, it gets the players more up for it. Even in that game, against Liverpool etc, the expectation was we would lose, I don't mind us losing to them as long as we have shown some fight. And that hasn't been there, and that's not good enough. If we are going to struggle due to injuries, the bare minimum we should see is some fight from the players whoever they are that's playing.

 

[Yarrgh]

Is he still here?

 

[kenada_blue]

Whoever comes in has to have the confidence that Moyes did and clear out the failures, almost as their first action. I don’t buy the progressive idea of a manager but setting out early what is and what is not acceptable has to be done.

Yep.

Thought that's what Benitez would do.

It's why as emotionally I've calmed down... leaving Benitez in charge for the season isn't totally bad as it's a complete write off and any real impact a new manager would have would be in the summer.

Or just give it Dunc for the season as I think he's the one that gets us.

 

[kenada_blue]

This. We got told for months he will get them battling and working hard. Yet because of injuries, that apparently doesn't matter anymore and he shouldn't be expected to do anything until they are back.

Against City, he didn't even leave his seat which was considered fine because the players he had out are "hopeless".

Doesn't matter what players he has out, it starts with him. If he is out of his seat, shouting instructing, it gets the players more up for it. Even in that game, against Liverpool etc, the expectation was we would lose, I don't mind us losing to them as long as we have shown some fight. And that hasn't been there, and that's not good enough. If we are going to struggle due to injuries, the bare minimum we should see is some fight from the players whoever they are that's playing.

That's the biggest thing that's turned the tide for a lot - the inability to defend and fight.

It's not the losses it's the manor.

 

[Nymzee]

Yep.

Thought that's what Benitez would do.

It's why as emotionally I've calmed down... leaving Benitez in charge for the season isn't totally bad as it's a complete write off and any real impact a new manager would have would be in the summer.

Or just give it Dunc for the season as I think he's the one that gets us.

It’s totally bad if we get sucked into a relegation fight praying DCL will come back and save us.

 

[PhilM]

It's why as emotionally I've calmed down... leaving Benitez in charge for the season isn't totally bad as it's a complete write off and any real impact a new manager would have would be in the summer.

The concern is that we're on our worst run in twenty-two years, with a squad that appears to have no confidence and a disenfranchised fan base.

People are right to be worry whether he has the ability to stop the rot, with a very difficult month of a fixtures, and guide us towards safety and stability.

Also, a new manager in the summer is all well and good, but it needs to be part of a long-term plan: the DoF starting to look at targets now and move players on.

I can't help but worry that we'll eventually remove Benitez and bring in another manager who isn't part of a wider, long-term strategy.