2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Tubey]

Lovely condescending tone just because you disagree with someone.

I've never said it's the only one I think is happening. It was an example given based off a poster who acts as if he's in the know and who, like yourself, backs benitez to the hilt. So you would take 1 rondon for every gray? So he could sign 10 players, but half of them are absolute trash on big wages? Fantastic. That's certainly getting rid of the dross. As has already been shared, his record at newcastle, when on a budget (even though he spent 157m in his time there) really isn't good.

Not getting into the gray signing again, I think that was a mix of him and brands and he has had a decent start, same as Leicester and at leverkusen. Townsend I can take it or leave it, some allright games, some crap games so far.

No he didn't. He actually made a profit in net spend.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

On the evidence so far Gray was always a good signing given the price and ability. Townsend was an upgrade on Walcott, but I'm not overly keen on this persistence of over 30 wingers, it's a young man's game, in football terms generally not over 28... Dont think either signings were surprises for those who watch, position and pace anyway. Well I hope not..
Keeper was standard signing.

 

[Marius57]

No he didn't. He actually made a profit in net spend.

Did he make 157m of purchases, yes or no? Yes.

I didn't make any reference to net spend or how much money was brought in from player sales. But he spent 157m on buying players.

That's like me saying I don't spend money on my food shop because I have other money coming in. I'm still spending the money regardless of how it's been brought in.

 

[Tubey]

Did he make 157m of purchases, yes or no? Yes.

I didn't make any reference to net spend or how much money was brought in from player sales. But he spent 157m on buying players.

That's like me saying I don't spend money on my food shop because I have other money coming in. I'm still spending the money regardless of how it's been brought in.

Of course it makes a difference. Your analogy doesn't work because you don't resell the food to offset the initial cost of the food.

You could spend £1bn on players, but if you recoup £1.5bn then you haven't really invested the £1bn into the squad.

 

[4737carlin]

Think some people on here would have a happier life, if they accepted the fact
that Benitez is now our team manager, and isn’t going anywhere.

His job is safe as houses, he is the one moving people out of the club now, its like he has walked in and totally taken over, he is listening to the fans and demanding NSNO like we do

 

[Marius57]

Of course it makes a difference. Your analogy doesn't work because you don't resell the food to offset the initial cost of the food.

You could spend £1bn on players, but if you recoup £1.5bn then you haven't really invested the £1bn into the squad.

But he bought players to the value of 157m. I'm not talking about net spend, that's a different debate and I understand that means there's potentially restrictions.

He could have had that much money off potentially 1 sale, same as we could do. But the standard of his signings at a club when under those tight restrictions of net spend weren't great.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Think some people on here would have a happier life, if they accepted the fact
that Benitez is now our team manager, and isn’t going anywhere.

Going to be sad watching the same folk drive themselves into a pit of misery over the coming years whilst he's in the dugout.

Accept it as reality and just support the club as you would do normally.

 

[Tubey]

But he bought players to the value of 157m. I'm not talking about net spend, that's a different debate and I understand that means there's potentially restrictions.

He could have had that much money off potentially 1 sale, same as we could do. But the standard of his signings at a club when under those tight restrictions of net spend weren't great.

He was managing Newcastle, at the time a yo yo Prem/Championship club, not Barcelona. His transfers were bang average and he left them in a much better position than when he arrived.

The criticism of him in the transfer market is overblown. His record is neither great or bad.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Did he make 157m of purchases, yes or no? Yes.

I didn't make any reference to net spend or how much money was brought in from player sales. But he spent 157m on buying players.

That's like me saying I don't spend money on my food shop because I have other money coming in. I'm still spending the money regardless of how it's been brought in.

Did he, or did he not win the UCL? And reached the finals once more? And even more semis?
Did he, or did he not, win trophies at all his previous clubs?
Did he, or did he not, leave Newcastle with a surplus (on transfer) Same for Liverpool (if you count Mascherano & Sterling, those were sold after he went)

Not really constructive is it? Doesn't leave much room for nuance.

 

[Misa]

Lovely condescending tone just because you disagree with someone.

I've never said it's the only one I think is happening. It was an example given based off a poster who acts as if he's in the know and who, like yourself, backs benitez to the hilt. So you would take 1 rondon for every gray? So he could sign 10 players, but half of them are absolute trash on big wages? Fantastic. That's certainly getting rid of the dross. As has already been shared, his record at newcastle, when on a budget (even though he spent 157m in his time there) really isn't good.

Not getting into the gray signing again, I think that was a mix of him and brands and he has had a decent start, same as Leicester and at leverkusen. Townsend I can take it or leave it, some allright games, some crap games so far.

I'll address your post one by one as a form of respect.

Condescending tone - I'm sorry you feel that way. I was trying to lighten the mood by joking but text don't translate well in tone. Should have added some emojis probably. And plenty of posters here have posted in way more condescending and aggressive tones whenever something positive is mentioned about Benitez.

Back Benitez to the hilt - Prove it. I've mentioned many times I respect a different opinion and fully understand why some will never accept him. I think he's good for Everton which is more important to me than who he managed many moons ago.

1 Rondon for every Gray - totally out of context. Based on the huge kitty of 1.7m this summer, 1 Gray and 1 Townsend > 1 Rondon.

Big wages - unsubstantiated speculation. All Premier League players are on huge wages by context. He's also not the reason the club is facing FFP.

Newcastle transfer - Again, no managers will get every transfer right. Risk is higher when on a tight budget. Many of the players were bought for Championship. Is it that surprising that they are not good enough for the Premier League? He also made a profit.

Gray mix of Benitez and Brands - thats the new narrative now that he comes good and nobody was saying this earlier. Even if its a mix of Benitez and Brands, Everton wins. That's what I care more.

Decent start - he's been one of the best player. Only decent start? I think he has had a great start.

Same as Leicester and Lervekusen - didn't watch them much if at all. Didn't notice him then. I bet many others are the same.

Townsend - Agreed. Some good some not so good games. Still brings something to the team with his hard work and professionalism. I rate him overall as a good buy.

I know some will say tl;dr and react with the middle finger but it's ok. Everyone is unique. We all grow up differently and behave differently.

 

[dave11]

The unbalanced squad is widely thought to be due to multiple changes in manager and each bringing their own players in.

Marcel Brands was a solution to this but if reports are to be believed, he wasn't given the control required to provide a strategic approach to signings and couching. For me, hard to judge if his appointment worked for this reason.

Struggling to understand the thinking behind sacking Brands and letting a new manager bring his own people in without it leading me back to where we started with an unbalanced squad, if all managers are now given this much influence?

I'm not digging out Benitez here, I would feel the same about any other manager. The logical conclusion is that he's going to be given a lot more time than previous managers but results and Moshiri's previous in pulling the trigger, there's a lot of pressure on him and results in the short term, ignoring the obvious division over his appointment in the first place.

 

[Harryflashman]

I’m trying to avoid the whole Benitez debate but he made money selling players he’d inherited I’m almost certain pretty much every player he bought lost money .i think merino might have been a small profit but the whole net spend feels like a distraction when you’re making money on players you didn’t buy and losing money on players you did .

I think the Liverpool transfer dealings are certainly worthy of debate with arguments on both sides but Newcastle’s frankly looks pretty dreadful.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Going to be sad watching the same folk drive themselves into a pit of misery over the coming years whilst he's in the dugout.

Accept it as reality and just support the club as you would do normally.

I doubt that very much

the coming weeks maybe.

 

[4737carlin]

The unbalanced squad is widely thought to be due to multiple changes in manager and each bringing their own players in.

Marcel Brands was a solution to this but if reports are to be believed, he wasn't given the control required to provide a strategic approach to signings and couching. For me, hard to judge if his appointment worked for this reason.

Struggling to understand the thinking behind sacking Brands and letting a new manager bring his own people in without it leading me back to where we started with an unbalanced squad, if all managers are now given this much influence?

I'm not digging out Benitez here, I would feel the same about any other manager. The logical conclusion is that he's going to be given a lot more time than previous managers but results and Moshiri's previous in pulling the trigger, there's a lot of pressure on him and results in the short term, ignoring the obvious division over his appointment in the first place.

Because we need one man to be doing it, and over a period of time, minimum 2 years, thats the job Bentiez is doing for us, he is doing everything, it's all on him.
I'm sure on Monday we had players bought by 7 different people, it's insane.
When Moshiri sat down with Rafael he must of given him a hell of an interview as he seems to taking in all his requests behind the scenes, even though the results are poor, it's like the penny has dropped with Farhad and he sees a bigger picture, painted by Rafael.

 

[Theoneandonly]

But he bought players to the value of 157m. I'm not talking about net spend, that's a different debate and I understand that means there's potentially restrictions.

He could have had that much money off potentially 1 sale, same as we could do. But the standard of his signings at a club when under those tight restrictions of net spend weren't great.

He has explained that he essentially got his 5th and 6th choice players. There were also signings made which he didn't want.

You criticise the overall spend, yet we spent substantially more than what he did at Newcastle. He also left Newcastle in profit from his tenure.

For 157 mil, he made 31 transfers which equals an average of 5 mil. His record signing cost 23 mil.