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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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Diogenes the Cynic said:
Bottom line is a lot of people never even gave him a chance because of who he previously managed.

I believe in giving someone a fair opportunity and thought as a club the fanbase did too.

I've been sadly disappointed to find this isn't the case and if it has done nothing else it has opened my eyes to the actual moral standards people hold. I certainly won't hold up Evertonians as some example of great support in the future, i support Everton but a bond has certainly been broke with me in respect of if not the fanbase at least the majority of supporters on here.

That's not the fault of Benitez, it's about fairness and giving someone a chance. This his face doesn't fit and name calling has all the characteristics of bullying that has scarred so many lives that i find it abhorrent and sad that so many find such happiness in it.
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He's had the worst results in over 20 years and is still in the job. He's had more time and patience than any other manager under Moshiri. I don't really get your point. It's football and it's emotive, so I don't know what you expected. It's not really a moral issue either, it's sport, not life or death like.

Hardly anyone thought it was a smart appointment, but unfortunately the fans have been proved correct with very poor results.
 
ToffeeTim said:
He's had the worst results in over 20 years and is still in the job. He's had more time and patience than any other manager under Moshiri. I don't really get your point.

Hardly anyone thought it was a smart appointment, but unfortunately the fans have been proved correct with very poor results.
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The point is people wanted him out before his first game and are now using onfield results to excuse their hatred.

The point was perfectly clear. I can't be bothered to engage with people on this issue, their minds were made up a long time ago, I just think its pathetic.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Bottom line is a lot of people never even gave him a chance because of who he previously managed.

I believe in giving someone a fair opportunity and thought as a club the fanbase did too.

I've been sadly disappointed to find this isn't the case and if it has done nothing else it has opened my eyes to the actual moral standards people hold. I certainly won't hold up Evertonians as some example of great support in the future, i support Everton but a bond has certainly been broke with me in respect of if not the fanbase at least the majority of supporters on here.

That's not the fault of Benitez, it's about fairness and giving someone a chance. This his face doesn't fit and name calling has all the characteristics of bullying that has scarred so many lives that i find it abhorrent and sad that so many find such happiness in it.
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….I actually think the fan base has been very tolerant. They we’re fantastic on Monday & yesterday was the first time I’ve heard any laudable dissent from them towards the manager despite a dreadful set of results & very questionable tactics.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
The point is people wanted him out before his first game and are now using onfield results to excuse their hatred.

The point was perfectly clear. I can't be bothered to engage with people on this issue, their minds were made up a long time ago, I just think its pathetic.
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People didn't want him before he was appointed, that was the issue.

The patience from the club and fans has been pretty fair in my opinion, considering other managers are sacked for far less. You're exagerrating the situation in my opinion, and I don't know why you want to blame the support. Any manager with such poor results is under pressure.

Do you think he deserves more time?
 

Eggs said:
….I actually think the fan base has been very tolerant. They we’re fantastic on Monday & yesterday was the first time I’ve heard any laudable dissent from them towards the manager despite dreadful set of results & very questionable tactics.
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Yes the matchgoing support has been tolerant, on here not so much unfortunately.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
The point is people wanted him out before his first game and are now using onfield results to excuse their hatred.

The point was perfectly clear. I can't be bothered to engage with people on this issue, their minds were made up a long time ago, I just think its pathetic.
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I made up my mind when he dropped our best and only left back and took Richy off for Rondon. Lost 7 out of 9 this is relegation form the board has to act now.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
The point is people wanted him out before his first game and are now using onfield results to excuse their hatred.

The point was perfectly clear. I can't be bothered to engage with people on this issue, their minds were made up a long time ago, I just think its pathetic.
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These are hard business decisions being taken rationally on performance.

There is nothing further to discuss
 

Egil Olsen said:
I suspect it was an ad hoc solution. So yes, agree. But unlike the owners, I think Benitez has a comprehensive and systematic plan, and he has convinced the owners (Mosh) that this is the best long-term plan. It is also a good reminder that Benitez's players, who were really only meant to fill up the squad, have accounted for 45 percent of our goals this season.
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Don’t follow your logic. The owner’s previous ad hoc appointments are why we’re in this mess. Rafael’s appointment is the latest in a line of ad hoc appointments but this time it’s okay because Rafael has convinced him he has a long term plan?

45% of our goals? Do you mean Gray and Townsend who have played by far the most minutes in attacking areas of the pitch for us this season? He’s not added 45% to the goals that we’re already in the team, now that I would be excited about. We barely score or look like scoring, Townsend isn’t good enough to get in a bottom half of the league Palace team.

It’s going to end disastrously because it’s been so badly thought out, the next manager will want to come in with a big broom and we start all over again. Stop trying to defend it.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Bottom line is a lot of people never even gave him a chance because of who he previously managed.

I believe in giving someone a fair opportunity and thought as a club the fanbase did too.

I've been sadly disappointed to find this isn't the case and if it has done nothing else it has opened my eyes to the actual moral standards people hold. I certainly won't hold up Evertonians as some example of great support in the future, i support Everton but a bond has certainly been broke with me in respect of if not the fanbase at least the majority of supporters on here.

That's not the fault of Benitez, it's about fairness and giving someone a chance. This his face doesn't fit and name calling has all the characteristics of bullying that has scarred so many lives that i find it abhorrent and sad that so many find such happiness in it.
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100%

Banners outside his family home

Singing about Ancelotti dying

Accusing fans of being undercover kopites

Fanbase has gone to the dogs in recent years with reactionary imbeciles like Kevin The Rat the Nu breed of supporter wanting their tasty pound of flesh every 6-12 months.
 

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