2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[matty1878]

Whoever gets this job next will be on a hiding to nothing with this rotten squad.

We all seen the state of El Loco, Koeman and Silva on the eve of their sackings.

I wont sit back and see Dunc reduced to that I would hope he got put out of his misery quickly and humanely.

ye hopefully we hurry up and put fat kecks out of his

 

[Grogu the blue]

No doubt if we win the next game by chance, good luck or played well he will claim the players followed his plan and thus take credit.

I react to what I read, when I read. I see that your defence of the indefensible stretches beyond Benitez incompetence!

I wonder when we play at Anfield and RS sing his name out whilst spanking us and he acknowledges them with a wave will turn some of the Rafael fans on here

 

[ToffeeTim]

That's what the all do now...look at each other and go "aaaaaaw maaaaan"

Didn't happen when we were man to man last year. Everyone knows their role and if something goes wrong, the culprit is usually very obvious. It's great for raising standards and ensuring accountability.

It seems there is no accountability at this club at any level, be it at the very top or defending a basic corner. Nothing improves at any level of the club until everyone knows their responsibilities inside out and there is accountability for everyone, regardless of their position.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Ruairi77]

But Benitez (and his coaching staff) have never done man to man marking in their career. They have always preferred zonal, many other top teams do too. When you choose Benitez as manager, you get a zonal system.

When you change from man to man to zonal, especially when many of these players have never used a zonal system before, it’s fair to say you’ll see some teething issues initially.

but look at that pic of the corner. There's no attempt at zonal marking. It's not like they're getting it wrong, they're just not doing it. They are all going for the ball like a bunch of 8 year olds. It's been five months. Theres serious issues if this is where you're at after 5 months.
He had 17 days to prep for this game and look how he set his back line up, look at how disorganized the whole thing is.
He's not getting his message across.
Apparently the club were impressed with his research before hiring him, he had a dossier on every player and seemed to have a plan for how they'd all work together. Was he just spouting nonsense. I suspect so.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I'm going to try and be as fair as I can be about Benitez now. I don't blame him for all this. He's just the latest bad choice manager that Moshiri and Kenwright and the rest of the stupid squad have brought in to "manage" the club. Its not his fault that we have a team full of wasters that have proven over and over and over again that they don't care about the club. If I made a list of everything that is wrong with Everton football club in 2022 I'm not sure he'd make the top five.

Now with all that being said, just because he's not the main part of the problem that doesn't mean that he's anything approaching the answer. He's making an already terrible situation a tousand times worse. He's a divisive, angry, hypocritical, lying, conniving, control freak, dinosaur that didn't even have a fraction of the ability he wrongly believed himself to possess back in 2005 when he was at his peak. He will always prioritise himself and his ego above any club stupid enough to employ him. He will always throw anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own skin and credibility (in his own mind if nothing else) its always been the board at other clubs but its the fans and players here because he knows that the other two are against him.

I'm not going to pretend that sacking him would magically fix anything. Big Dunc, Potter, Lampard, ect, ect. Any of them could take over and results could quite possibly remain the same (they couldn't get any worse at least!). I know that but I still argue for Benitez to be sacked because the one thing that would definitely change if he went is that the fanbase (the match going one, because the handful of weirdos online that always want to be avant-garde and argue for the sake of it don't count as they never even go outside, much less go the match!) would unite and we badly need real unity right now if we want any hope of turning this situation around.

 

[PhoenixFirebird]

I am now genuinely confused by what I am reading in some posts.

You want players to be intelligent enough to learn new systems/formations/tactics instantly, but not intelligent enough to understand the said a/b/c is not working.
You want players to be assertive/aggressive enough to be in-your-face on the pitch, but be docile yes-men to the manager when the said a-b-c is not working.

How does that work?

I have been and always will be anti-Benitez, but I promised to hold off on criticism till end-of-season (Him being Everton manager and all), but I am just about out of patience now. I have stopped searching for live feeds, just read after match report, shake my head and suffer jibes from other team supporters. fxxx that!!!

 

[matty1878]

I'm going to try and be as fair as I can be about Benitez now. I don't blame him for all this. He's just the latest bad choice manager that Moshiri and Kenwright and the rest of the stupid squad have brought in to "manage" the club. Its not his fault that we have a team full of wasters that have proven over and over and over again that they don't care about the club. If I made a list of everything that is wrong with Everton football club in 2022 I'm not sure he'd make the top five.

Now with all that being said, just because he's not the main part of the problem that doesn't mean that he's anything approaching the answer. He's making an already terrible situation a tousand times worse. He's a divisive, angry, hypocritical, lying, conniving, control freak, dinosaur that didn't even have a fraction of the ability he wrongly believed himself to possess back in 2005 when he was at his peak. He will always prioritise himself and his ego above any club stupid enough to employ him. He will always throw anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own skin and credibility (in his own mind if nothing else) its always been the board at other clubs but its the fans and players here because he knows that the other two are against him.

I'm not going to pretend that sacking him would magically fix anything. Big Dunc, Potter, Lampard, ect, ect. Any of them could take over and results could quite possibly remain the same (they could get any worse at least!). I know that but I still argue for Benitez to be sacked because the one thing that would definitely change if he went is that the fanbase (the match going one, because the handful of weirdos online that always want to be avant-garde and argue for the sake of it don't count as they never even go outside, much less go the match!) would unite and we badly need real unity right now if we want any hope of turning this situation around.

 

[matty1878]

I am now genuinely confused by what I am reading in some posts.

You want players to be intelligent enough to learn new systems/formations/tactics instantly, but not intelligent enough to understand the said a/b/c is not working.
You want players to be assertive/aggressive enough to be in-your-face on the pitch, but be docile yes-men to the manager when the said a-b-c is not working.

How does that work?

I have been and always will be anti-Benitez, but I promised to hold off on criticism till end-of-season (Him being Everton manager and all), but I am just about out of patience now. I have stopped searching for live feeds, just read after match report, shake my head and suffer jibes from other team supporters. fxxx that!!!

everyone’s has mate he’s had zzzz amount of games no plan b c d e f g h

he’s gotta go

 

[longers]

Then maybe sub in one of the younger strikers who haven’t been absolute arse eh Rafael you utter blimp

He watches them every single day in training and clearly doesn't rate them, similar to previous managers.

 

[Ruairi77]

I'm going to try and be as fair as I can be about Benitez now. I don't blame him for all this. He's just the latest bad choice manager that Moshiri and Kenwright and the rest of the stupid squad have brought in to "manage" the club. Its not his fault that we have a team full of wasters that have proven over and over and over again that they don't care about the club. If I made a list of everything that is wrong with Everton football club in 2022 I'm not sure he'd make the top five.

Now with all that being said, just because he's not the main part of the problem that doesn't mean that he's anything approaching the answer. He's making an already terrible situation a tousand times worse. He's a divisive, angry, hypocritical, lying, conniving, control freak, dinosaur that didn't even have a fraction of the ability he wrongly believed himself to possess back in 2005 when he was at his peak. He will always prioritise himself and his ego above any club stupid enough to employ him. He will always throw anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own skin and credibility (in his own mind if nothing else) its always been the board at other clubs but its the fans and players here because he knows that the other two are against him.

I'm not going to pretend that sacking him would magically fix anything. Big Dunc, Potter, Lampard, ect, ect. Any of them could take over and results could quite possibly remain the same (they couldn't get any worse at least!). I know that but I still argue for Benitez to be sacked because the one thing that would definitely change if he went is that the fanbase (the match going one, because the handful of weirdos online that always want to be avant-garde and argue for the sake of it don't count as they never even go outside, much less go the match!) would unite and we badly need real unity right now if we want any hope of turning this situation around.

we really need unity but hold on a sec while I draw distinctions between match going and non match going fans.

 

[bcblue1878]

Whoever gets this job next will be on a hiding to nothing with this rotten squad.

We all seen the state of El Loco, Koeman and Silva on the eve of their sackings.

I wont sit back and see Dunc reduced to that I would hope he got put out of his misery quickly and humanely.

If Ferguson had anything about him and any ambition to sit in the Managers office one day, he’d have left a while ago, and gone and proved himself somewhere else before coming back with a big tick on his CV. As it stands he continues to be seen as part of the ongoing problem!
It’s very noticeable this season that once the game starts he is clearly under orders to sit down and keep quiet!

 

[sageyefc]

Indeed they were crap under Carlo and remain crap under Tapastits, but if you think he’s acting under instruction in the top image to leave two players unmarked in that much space we will have to agree to disagree.
Be interesting if you can put up Keanes starting position from about 5 seconds prior to that still.

Not actually true, we had one of the best defensive records from set pieces in the league

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Feels like a distinct lack of love for Senor Benitez in here today.

That's a tough ask at the best of times tbf.

76% now. Ouch

 

[windymiller]

I think when you just think that football is about results, and forget all the other parameters, then you end up like us, or become a club like Watford.

Moreover, results are also relative. It depends on previous results, we are completely honest so we are a mediocre PL team, which was most recently a very good team in the 80's. Then you have to see how big investments we have made. Before this season, after a mediocre performance last year, we have hardly invested in players. So no big reason for optimism.

Had we been Manchester United, on the other hand, this would have been below all expectations, and would have been a scandal. But as I said, we have not exactly collected many trophies, and fought for the top spots in PL history.

We are 6 points behind a ninth place, which is a perfectly acceptable result considering our PL history and investments before this season. The performance is more worrying, but according to you, results are more important.

But what I am trying to say is that when you have to change a lot in a rotten culture, it will cause noise, and the positive effects will not come immediately. That is what is mitigating. But of course I can be wrong. And, as I said, performance does worry me, but at the same time I know that learning is not a linear process.

Arsenal have been through much of the same process, but it requires leaders to have ice in their stomachs, and not just look at the results. That's the recipe for a chaos club.

Results, performances, personnel. All terrible. This guy has made us worse in all three areas. So has Moshiri. In tandem, they relegate us. I used to think it would be next season, I now am very worried it will be this season. We are awful at everything at the moment. There is no parameter in which there is even a glimmer of hope.

If we stay up, it will be because there are three teams that are somehow worse at all of those things than us.

 

[Abertonian]

Raffa...

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Carlo...

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Basically the same players

Nobody should be getting paid this week on the basis of the first picture.