2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[MikeH72]

Star Wars

The book of Boba Fatt.

 

[trueblue84]

Star Wars

Boba fat?

 

[trueblue84]

The book of Boba Fatt.

Beat me to it.

 

[Harryflashman]

I’ve never cared about Everton less.


Thanks Moshiri.

X 2

 

[Egil Olsen]

I take it you didn’t see Caragher’s interview the other day where he said Benitez thrives on conflict and was constantly falling out with players. He also said by the by, that his football was so bad to watch it had to produce results to be tolerated. You can talk till you are blue in the face, it is impossible to sensibly defend Benitez’ position as Everton manager.

I don’t believe he could manage anywhere successfully any more, but, he most certainly cannot manage successfully here. Conflict, excuses and crap football are what he will continue to serve up here. Oh, and the results aren’t too clever either are they?

They talk all the time, and that's their job. But I do not disagree that the football that is played is painful to watch, but I hope we gradually become more defensively solid and get better in the transition game. I also do not disagree that Benitez needs better results, and that if he continues this trend, he will not have many games left.

What I disagree with, however, is that Benitez is a terribly bad manager, and the way some describe him. I also like many of the choices he makes, which I see as part of professionalizing the club. Considering how much money has been invested in this club, and how much the club has underperformed, I think it is positive with conflicts.

There are many in this club who have been too happy with mediocre results, achievements, attitudes, etc., we as supporters have complained about this for several years, but now when we have a manager who is willing to expose the challenges the club has , we do not like it. We say that he is conflict-oriented, must adapt the system to the players, and must adapt to the players' mentality and attitudes.

Everton supporters suddenly stand with supporting posters of a shaman who has a terrible injury history with the club, and believes that the players will be injury-free through spiritual meditation. Suddenly, Digne is a world-class back, despite having underperformed for several years, and seems more concerned with his own statistics than the club's best. Brands, who had many good ideas, but who for some reason did not realize them, are suddenly a cult hero among some. If Benitez has managed to convince Moshiri to take control, why did Brands not succeed in all the years he was here?

 

[roy vernon]

They talk all the time, and that's their job. But I do not disagree that the football that is played is painful to watch, but I hope we gradually become more defensively solid and get better in the transition game. I also do not disagree that Benitez needs better results, and that if he continues this trend, he will not have many games left.

What I disagree with, however, is that Benitez is a terribly bad manager, and the way some describe him. I also like many of the choices he makes, which I see as part of professionalizing the club. Considering how much money has been invested in this club, and how much the club has underperformed, I think it is positive with conflicts.

There are many in this club who have been too happy with mediocre results, achievements, attitudes, etc., we as supporters have complained about this for several years, but now when we have a manager who is willing to expose the challenges the club has , we do not like it. We say that he is conflict-oriented, must adapt the system to the players, and must adapt to the players' mentality and attitudes.

Everton supporters suddenly stand with supporting posters of a shaman who has a terrible injury history with the club, and believes that the players will be injury-free through spiritual meditation. Suddenly, Digne is a world-class back, despite having underperformed for several years, and seems more concerned with his own statistics than the club's best. Brands, who had many good ideas, but who for some reason did not realize them, are suddenly a cult hero among some. If Benitez has managed to convince Moshiri to take control, why did Brands not succeed in all the years he was here?

So, if you accept all that you say you do about Benitez, you must also accept that he needs to go. Begs the question, what the feck are you doing trying to defend him?

 

[JimmyK]

They talk all the time, and that's their job. But I do not disagree that the football that is played is painful to watch, but I hope we gradually become more defensively solid and get better in the transition game. I also do not disagree that Benitez needs better results, and that if he continues this trend, he will not have many games left.

What I disagree with, however, is that Benitez is a terribly bad manager, and the way some describe him. I also like many of the choices he makes, which I see as part of professionalizing the club. Considering how much money has been invested in this club, and how much the club has underperformed, I think it is positive with conflicts.

There are many in this club who have been too happy with mediocre results, achievements, attitudes, etc., we as supporters have complained about this for several years, but now when we have a manager who is willing to expose the challenges the club has , we do not like it. We say that he is conflict-oriented, must adapt the system to the players, and must adapt to the players' mentality and attitudes.

Everton supporters suddenly stand with supporting posters of a shaman who has a terrible injury history with the club, and believes that the players will be injury-free through spiritual meditation. Suddenly, Digne is a world-class back, despite having underperformed for several years, and seems more concerned with his own statistics than the club's best. Brands, who had many good ideas, but who for some reason did not realize them, are suddenly a cult hero among some. If Benitez has managed to convince Moshiri to take control, why did Brands not succeed in all the years he was here?

I don't think he's professionalizing the club at all I think he's doing what he's done at every club making it sound like he's fighting the good fight against all the odds and the reasons things aren't going well is nothing to do with him. The difference is that the vast majority of Everton fans aren't falling for what is a very tired and obvious shtick but obviously there are always exceptions to the rule.

 

[Misa]

I didn't vote, that's correct. Because I had death on ignore at the time so didn't see it. But to say I woke from the slumber is false. I was against benitez before he was hired and posted a lot. I then stopped posting about him and ignored the thread to allow him some time, he got off to a decent start results wise (not performance though) and then Watford did it for me and I came back in here. The poor performances (bar the 15 min spells in 2nd half) were always going to catch up to the results, and they inevitably did.

Not sure why some are so resolute in their backing of him when half a season in, there is still no uptick in results or performance.

I hope he turns it round as I want us to do well. But I didn't think he was the right man before he was hired and I certainly dont now based on his results with us.

I think it depends on which end of the spectrum you are at regarding your opinion of Benitez vs opinion on the way the club is ran. If you dislike him more than your dislike of the management of the club, results will be your reason for getting rid and you're not wrong. On the opposite side, if you dislike the way the club has been ran more than your dislike for him, you will understand why some are supportive of him.

On field results have been poor. Players have been making lots of mistakes and all the old problems of a poor mentality is still there. He has been tweaking the system but so far it hasn't worked. Will another manager do better? Depends on how you define better. Better results? Definitely possible. Win anything or challenge for Europe? No. So far every manager in recent years have failed.

Off field results have been good. He has made some changes and continuing to make changes that many knew was needed. Brands is gone, most transfers have been good, potentially fixed the RB issue and moved quickly in the transfer window. I think this season was always about making off field improvements more than on field, that being said, results have to start improving and I still think it will. I am still of the opinion that he will not be sacked this season and next season will be what defines his stay at Everton as the manager.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Star Wars

FAT ?

 

[Egil Olsen]

So, if you accept all that you say you do about Benitez, you must also accept that he needs to go. Begs the question, what the feck are you doing trying to defend him?

I can not say that we do fantastically well, or that we play "sexy" football. It had obviously been a lie. Everyone can see that this is not good enough. But it takes time for change to take effect, especially when trying to change an entire culture. Players and support staff who are not good enough or have the wrong attitudes need to be replaced, and you need to bring in the right players who have the mentality required. You do not replace several years with mediocre results within 6 months. Actually, I want to give him time until next Christmas, but then of course the results must be better. We have to see some kind of progression.

 

[Nymzee]

Least I voted no on him staying even in October never wrong.

 

[Yarrgh]

The book of Boba Fatt.

The Spanish Sarlacc pit.

 

[Egil Olsen]

I don't think he's professionalizing the club at all I think he's doing what he's done at every club making it sound like he's fighting the good fight against all the odds and the reasons things aren't going well is nothing to do with him. The difference is that the vast majority of Everton fans aren't falling for what is a very tired and obvious shtick but obviously there are always exceptions to the rule.

It depends on how you interpret it. We all have biases. But I think the club becomes more professional when you no longer have a shaman as head of medicine.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Strange to see, innit? @Daveysgingerlovechild & others voting ''yes'' with all their heart

You didn't even vote back then, you rose from your virtual slumber after things went tits up against Watford.

Whut?

Yeah, I'm on record as stating the derby did it for me actually. Villa and Watford were the warning signs, but it's been drek since and getting worse by and large. And yes we've been through the injury stuff, but some of the formations and tactics, constant defensive blunders, ceding a lead before looking like playing etc are mind boggling.

Chuck in the inevitable rancour because of who he is and I'm out. I mean, I hope he turns it around for our sakes because I sure don't want us relegated. But I don't get a good gut feeling here. Who knows, maybe we'll finish tenth and lift a cup. Then the vaults judge, no?

Ps is this the account you're using today?

 

[Nymzee]

The Spanish Sarlacc pit.

I need someone to stick Benitez’s facial hair on Jabba the Hut right this second. Moshiri chained up as Leia. Rondon, Longstaff as his enforcers.