2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[ToffeeTim]

I meant Dave's point where he said:

"At last what we've been calling for is happening: the utter cowards in that dressing room being held to account for their unprofessionalism, but because it's Benitez doing it the people who want him out have suddenly conveniently 'forgotten' that demand."

I don't think the Digne thing is really what we are holding against Benitez, we are just in the mindset where he can do no right.

It's difficult when it reaches this point sometimes because people are so angry that the blinkers come down. I've seen lots of people refuse to give Benitez any credit over the two full backs, for example, even though they're both the sort of profile we've all wanted.

I'm as disillusioned with what I'm seeing on the pitch from Benitez as the next man, but I think we've reached the point where he can do nothing right and given the fact that Moshiri doesn't want him gone, we'd all be better focusing on the stuff he really is to blame for rather than the more tenuous stuff

He is responsible for the results on the pitch. Everything else is neither here nor there. The results need to pick up this month or the position becomes even more dire than it already is. I have no faith that this will ever improve, and I have been certain it would end up like this from the start. But results are what matters and what will determine the future. There are lots of things we can point to that help explain why results are so poor, but the actual results are the only important factor.

The Digne issue is causing upset within the fans because there are lots of other players who have played much worse, and the manager seems to have no issue with them. From the outside looking in it looks like a personal issue and this isn't a primary school. Personal squabbles and petty disagreements have no place in adult workplaces.

 

[Efcjake]

No, most likely over several years. That is obviously not the only factor.

Another factor is that Benitez inherits a team that is among the least trained in the PL, especially after Ancelotti's regime. Basically the only thing they can do is defend themselves within the penalty area, make a long pass up to DCL, get a corner, and maybe score. Fortunately, Gray and AT have been good signings. Gordon was loaned out last season. Luckily we have someone who trained a little last season.

So if this proposed attitude problem existed before Benitez and we did better before he was here then I'm inclined to believe Benitez is the reason we are crap and not some supposed attitude problem with the players.

 

[nikom court]

Whats happened in the presser

fsw said he only wants players who want to play for everton and he wont pander to egos.
had a slight dig at ancelloti saying finishing 10th and boosting egos of well paid footballers is not good enough.

 

[Abertonian]

He stablised Newcastle and Chelsea.

Relegated Newcastle and stabilised the reigning european champions so much they decided they didn't need him at the end of the season.

 

[BlueToff]

In the presser earlier:

Vinny O'Connor: 'in that situation [after saying he wanted to leave] why was Lucas named on the bench against Brighton?'

Benitez: 'because as a manager you have a responsibility to try and do what is best for the club'

Not entirely sure what he was getting at with that.. probably just trying to say that we otherwise would've been very short on numbers if he wasn't named.

Either way, he didn't even get on the pitch regardless.

Pretty sure we named 8 players on the bench v Arsenal or Palace when Digne was left out.

Benitez did it to wind people up. I actually do think that now.

He's the greatest WUM of all time. Like a Chico multi.

 

[JimmyK]

I believe that is true.
I believe he is solidly in charge at the club and unless there is a melt down on the field over the next couple of months then he will remain in charge.
I think Moshiri could not care less what the fans think should happen or RB would not have ever been appointed.

The fan reaction at Goodison on Tuesday will be interesting as that is the acid test rather than some ramdom posters on a chat room.

Why will the fan reaction on Tuesday be the acid test if Moshiri doesn't care what the fans think anyway? The home crowd is not supportive of him theres nothing to test there hasn't been a massive revolt against him but he gets a lot of individual shouts from the terraces the odd chorus of fat spanish waiter he got booed quite loudly for getting up out of the dugout on sunday and Digne was roundly applauded and chanted for while warming up. If you're suggesting or hoping that the Goodison crowd is in support of Benitez you are well off base and if the worst happens and we lose tomorrow Tuesday will be an absolute bear pit for him.

 

[BlueToff]

fsw said he only wants players who want to play for everton and he wont pander to egos.
had a slight dig at ancelloti saying finishing 10th and boosting egos of well paid footballers is not good enough.

Aye unfortunately he comes in, gets us to 15th with 1 win in 12 and boosts the ego of Rondon

 

[Abertonian]

Always the victim never his fault

What would you expect from a kopite

 

[Toffeelover]

fsw said he only wants players who want to play for everton and he wont pander to egos.
had a slight dig at ancelloti saying finishing 10th and boosting egos of well paid footballers is not good enough.

Does he think he will have us higher than 10th?

 

[BlueToff]

Bit torn on this one. On the one hand, we need players who want to be here and I'm happy to sell anyone who won't put a shift in. On the other, would he be asking to leave if he was allowed to play as an actual fullback? He has been class at that in the past. The fall out appears to be down to Benitez's dire tactics and him refusing to listen to Digne, rather than a lack of desire to play for Everton. If that's the case, which I suspect it is, it won't be the last time this happens. If his tactics were good and we were winning football games, I'd be siding with the manager. The fact of the matter is we look absolutely clueless at the basics and are getting humped most weeks. We've got 1 win in 12, are bottom of the last 10 games form table, and were a stoppage time worldie from Gray away from having no wins in 12.

On reflection, get rid of the manager. He doesn't deserve to be here based on results and performances and he's causing nothing but division.

I did the stats earlier for the presser line.

He is under only TAA for every attacking stat, bar one where he's under Robertson, during his time in the PL so far.

Defensively, he's in the top 5 full-backs in every category.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

He was at Chelsea for about 5 minutes before being fired and took Newcastle down.

Didn't he say Terry was finished or something? Kept him on the sidelines on an exercise bike I seem to recall. Then Mourinho came back, played him pretty much every game and won the league. What a joker.

 

[davek]

Relegated Newcastle and stabilised the reigning european champions so much they decided they didn't need him at the end of the season.

He had a handful of games to save a doomed Newcastle and then got them back up the following season and then stabilised them in the PL.

 

[nikom court]

Aye unfortunately he comes in, gets us to 15th with 1 win in 12 and boosts the ego of Rondon

yeah,last season was boss!
i liked the bit best when james was sitting on a private jet in pjs while his mates were getting snotted 5-0!

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

What witch hunt are you talking about?

Stop playing the victim ffs

The hunt for Moby Kopite:

'why isn't this poll pubic ffs?'
'Is this the account you're using now'
'Is GOT getting astroturfed by Indian lads getting 2p a post to wind up blues with pro-Benitez posts??? It would explain a fair bit like.'

 

[TommyDavo]

It is incredibly sad that such a divisive figure was ever allowed near to the club.

I’d say divisive implied a 50:50 split. The vast majority want this man out including myself who initially said we have to stop the constant management changes. I was wrong