2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Spadge Vernacular]

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Just got to this ?

 

[Thetigerblue]

Every time he plays a two man midfield from here on out is a sackable offense.

Even if they keep winning? Just asking

 

[Thetigerblue]

Koeman and Silva got fired based on expectation as well as poor results. You spend north of a £100mill at any club having finishing in a decent position last season, and stare down at the bottom 3 by Xmas.... you're getting fired - see Villa for one.

But you're saying cos Benitez has spent nothing, he's automatically withdrawn from the same treatment even though he's performaning worse that all his predecessors since Moyes 2nd season?

If you even take transfers out of the equation... Ancelotti only spent £60million and finished 10th. Rafael will be spending £30-£40mill (if Jan rumours are true) to finish nowhere near that....

Or….. we could wait until the season is finished and then use the data?

 

[PG70]

We should have gone for that Eddie Howe fella, wouldn’t have been any of this arguing then ?

 

[Thetigerblue]

Do you believe that there isn’t a manager (who we could attract) that could have got us more than 1 win and 8 losses from our last 12 games?

‘Who we could attract?’

Well, President Of Ukraine might be available soon mate but apart from him, we’d struggle to get *anyone*. The level of unreal on this thread is amazing even by Everton standards. We’re not Bayern Munich.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Do you believe that there isn’t a manager (who we could attract) that could have got us more than 1 win and 8 losses from our last 12 games?

I’m not particularly interested in short term samples like 12 games, or in hypothetical managers. Yes I’m sure that we could have hired someone different, results may have been different also (for better or for worse), but as soon as Benitez is appointed I don’t understand this obsession with trying to get him fired. Everyone knew this would be a multi year turn around job with fundamental issues to fix at the club.

Let’s be honest if he’d come in and Mina DCL and Richarlison had been available to him more often than not, we’d probably have a handful more points but the key underlying issues at Everton would be exactly the same and still require fixing

Recruitment, medical department, player mentality, club structure and accountabilities. These are the big ticket items that take a long time to fix. Against that backdrop I’m not particularly outraged by a 12 game run or think in any way it warrants a managerial sacking. We’ll continue to be completely pants until someone fixes these big ticket items. To Benitez’s credit he’s actually having a go at them. Let’s at least see how he does?

I really don’t see what people are worried about. If the poor form continues he’ll get fired which is what people want. If the squad is as good as people think and other managers so competent then finishing ahead of three of Norwich Newcastle Burnley Watford shouldn’t be a problem.

I think the reason people are getting so het up is that they just want Benitez out regardless and they know that if he wins a few more league games then any chance of relegation will be fairly much gone and their opportunity for this to happen is gone until next season. As the squad changes we might even be better next season and he therefore won’t get fired for a while. That’s why there’s so much screaming about individual results, about Rondon, about oddly selected samples of specific games. Anything to add to the noise to try and get him fired now. That’s why some seem to have their nose out of shape he hasn’t gone out of the cup tonight.

I’d have more respect for posters if they just said that they don’t want Benitez no matter what. I’d disagree with it but I’d accept it lots easily. But screaming for a manager to be fired when we’re 15th (with a game in hand), he had 1.7 mill to spend in the summer, inherited a rubbish squad, and we’ve had our best strikers missing for a lot of the season just seems silly. Even more stupid is claiming he must be fired for losing to Brentford or Palace, two teams between them have beaten Arsenal and City, and taken points off Liverpool and Chelsea. Arguments like this just look narrow and petty against the backdrop of trying to turn around 7 years of complete mismanagement.

 

[billyblue80]

A five man defence that can't keep a clean sheet and a two man midfield chasing shadows and huge holes for teams to pick us off through. This formation is even worse than the 4231 he was setting up with.

 

[Toff33Blues99]

Cant be doing with the faux praise for this imbecile. We scraped thru after extra time against a team in the bottom half of the prem. This result changes nothing, if anything it makes his sacking more urgent. We were tore open time and time again, having to rely on a world class save from Begovic to keep the tie going to pens.
His starting line up was dreadful, he doesn't learn from mistakes and he needs to go

 

[Colonel Getafe]

Even if they keep winning? Just asking

When you say "keep" winning, do you mean the 2 games in 3 months?!?.....

 

[anton66]

Can’t believe there’s even one person on planet Earth that’s defending this bloke. Ffs, open your eyes!

There’s half a dozen on here hanging out his backside. They can’t even concede to the fact that Rondon is a totally useless waste of a shirt.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Koeman and Silva got fired based on expectation as well as poor results. You spend north of a £100mill at any club having finishing in a decent position last season, and stare down at the bottom 3 by Xmas.... you're getting fired - see Villa for one.

But you're saying cos Benitez has spent nothing, he's automatically withdrawn from the same treatment even though he's performaning worse that all his predecessors since Moyes 2nd season?

If you even take transfers out of the equation... Ancelotti only spent £60million and finished 10th. Rafael will be spending £30-£40mill (if Jan rumours are true) to finish nowhere near that....

Ancelotti spent that 60 mill at the start of the season though didn’t he? So nowhere near the same comparison.

Koeman and Silva spent loads of money and had their teams in the bottom 3 after 18 months.

Benitez has had 6 months, not much money (until this window) and his team isn’t in the bottom 3.

So what’s the rationale for firing him again?

 

[Oasis1878]

There’s half a dozen on here hanging out his backside. They can’t even concede to the fact that Rondon is a totally useless waste of a shirt.

Yeah it’s so strange. The least they could do is just admit Rondon is the biggest joke going, literally everyone laughs at us for playing him

 

[billyblue80]

I’m not particularly interested in short term samples like 12 games, or in hypothetical managers. Yes I’m sure that we could have hired someone different, results may have been different also (for better or for worse), but as soon as Benitez is appointed I don’t understand this obsession with trying to get him fired. Everyone knew this would be a multi year turn around job with fundamental issues to fix at the club.

Let’s be honest if he’d come in and Mina DCL and Richarlison had been available to him more often than not, we’d probably have a handful more points but the key underlying issues at Everton would be exactly the same and still require fixing

Recruitment, medical department, player mentality, club structure and accountabilities. These are the big ticket items that take a long time to fix. Against that backdrop I’m not particularly outraged by a 12 game run or think in any way it warrants a managerial sacking. We’ll continue to be completely pants until someone fixes these big ticket items. To Benitez’s credit he’s actually having a go at them. Let’s at least see how he does?

I really don’t see what people are worried about. If the poor form continues he’ll get fired which is what people want. If the squad is as good as people think and other managers so competent then finishing ahead of three of Norwich Newcastle Burnley Watford shouldn’t be a problem.

I think the reason people are getting so het up is that they just want Benitez out regardless and they know that if he wins a few more league games then any chance of relegation will be fairly much gone and their opportunity for this to happen is gone until next season. As the squad changes we might even be better next season and he therefore won’t get fired for a while. That’s why there’s so much screaming about individual results, about Rondon, about oddly selected samples of specific games. Anything to add to the noise to try and get him fired now. That’s why some seem to have their nose out of shape he hasn’t gone out of the cup tonight.

I’d have more respect for posters if they just said that they don’t want Benitez no matter what. I’d disagree with it but I’d accept it lots easily. But screaming for a manager to be fired when we’re 15th (with a game in hand), he had 1.7 mill to spend in the summer, inherited a rubbish squad, and we’ve had our best strikers missing for a lot of the season just seems silly. Even more stupid is claiming he must be fired for losing to Brentford or Palace, two teams between them have beaten Arsenal and City, and taken points off Liverpool and Chelsea. Arguments like this just look narrow and petty against the backdrop of trying to turn around 7 years of complete mismanagement.

No I was willing to give him a chance, I don't care about who he managed. But it's that his tactics are hopelessly out dated, his man management poor and most of all his results are poor. It's ok saying you are relaxed about but this manager is taking us backwards. One win in twelve.

 

[gaino92]

I’m not particularly interested in short term samples like 12 games, or in hypothetical managers. Yes I’m sure that we could have hired someone different, results may have been different also (for better or for worse), but as soon as Benitez is appointed I don’t understand this obsession with trying to get him fired. Everyone knew this would be a multi year turn around job with fundamental issues to fix at the club.

Let’s be honest if he’d come in and Mina DCL and Richarlison had been available to him more often than not, we’d probably have a handful more points but the key underlying issues at Everton would be exactly the same and still require fixing

Recruitment, medical department, player mentality, club structure and accountabilities. These are the big ticket items that take a long time to fix. Against that backdrop I’m not particularly outraged by a 12 game run or think in any way it warrants a managerial sacking. We’ll continue to be completely pants until someone fixes these big ticket items. To Benitez’s credit he’s actually having a go at them. Let’s at least see how he does?

I really don’t see what people are worried about. If the poor form continues he’ll get fired which is what people want. If the squad is as good as people think and other managers so competent then finishing ahead of three of Norwich Newcastle Burnley Watford shouldn’t be a problem.

I think the reason people are getting so het up is that they just want Benitez out regardless and they know that if he wins a few more league games then any chance of relegation will be fairly much gone and their opportunity for this to happen is gone until next season. As the squad changes we might even be better next season and he therefore won’t get fired for a while. That’s why there’s so much screaming about individual results, about Rondon, about oddly selected samples of specific games. Anything to add to the noise to try and get him fired now. That’s why some seem to have their nose out of shape he hasn’t gone out of the cup tonight.

I’d have more respect for posters if they just said that they don’t want Benitez no matter what. I’d disagree with it but I’d accept it lots easily. But screaming for a manager to be fired when we’re 15th (with a game in hand), he had 1.7 mill to spend in the summer, inherited a rubbish squad, and we’ve had our best strikers missing for a lot of the season just seems silly. Even more stupid is claiming he must be fired for losing to Brentford or Palace, two teams between them have beaten Arsenal and City, and taken points off Liverpool and Chelsea. Arguments like this just look narrow and petty against the backdrop of trying to turn around 7 years of complete mismanagement.

When a manager is making the same mistakes over and over again, not learning from the mistakes and even going as far as making worse mistakes it's time to think about parting ways.

He's meant to make us hard to beat, we aren't, he said himself that his teams play on the front foot, we don't. Zonal marking isn't working and he is persisting with it. We are overrun in the midfield every single game causing us to go behind and fight an uphill battle every single game.

And to top all of that off he is blaming everyone and everything but himself and has now turned to blaming the fans

 

[matty1878]

Ancelotti spent that 60 mill at the start of the season though didn’t he? So nowhere near the same comparison.

Koeman and Silva spent loads of money and had their teams in the bottom 3 after 18 months.

Benitez has had 6 months, not much money (until this window) and his team isn’t in the bottom 3.

So what’s the rationale for firing him again?

he’s a fat outdated dirty kopite