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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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Saint Domingo said:
Ancelotti spent that 60 mill at the start of the season though didn’t he? So nowhere near the same comparison.

Koeman and Silva spent loads of money and had their teams in the bottom 3 after 18 months.

Benitez has had 6 months, not much money (until this window) and his team isn’t in the bottom 3.

So what’s the rationale for firing him again?
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He’s a Kopite rat with a worse record than Mike Walker.
 
I just cringe if we have to defend a corner or free kick, awful, no body on the posts and zonal bs, we don’t have the players for it. We were excellent on set peices man for man last season. We’ve regressed.

Definsively we don’t know what to do between the lines, half hearted attempts at pressing from the front, the gap in between the lines is to big between forwards, wingers and central midfielders for it to be effective and you can cut through like butter. Players are confused, that’s all bad management.

El Bino. won’t happen though, the club are determined not to sack another manager, they’ve purged their DOF - given him full control and backed him in the market. We’re stuck with occupied Everton until at least the end of the season. The sooner we get to 40 the better, because our set up is poor.
 

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This time last year…. Rafael is a genius lads, it’s the players and fans that are the issue.
 
Saint Domingo said:
I’m not particularly interested in short term samples like 12 games, or in hypothetical managers. Yes I’m sure that we could have hired someone different, results may have been different also (for better or for worse), but as soon as Benitez is appointed I don’t understand this obsession with trying to get him fired. Everyone knew this would be a multi year turn around job with fundamental issues to fix at the club.

Let’s be honest if he’d come in and Mina DCL and Richarlison had been available to him more often than not, we’d probably have a handful more points but the key underlying issues at Everton would be exactly the same and still require fixing

Recruitment, medical department, player mentality, club structure and accountabilities. These are the big ticket items that take a long time to fix. Against that backdrop I’m not particularly outraged by a 12 game run or think in any way it warrants a managerial sacking. We’ll continue to be completely pants until someone fixes these big ticket items. To Benitez’s credit he’s actually having a go at them. Let’s at least see how he does?

I really don’t see what people are worried about. If the poor form continues he’ll get fired which is what people want. If the squad is as good as people think and other managers so competent then finishing ahead of three of Norwich Newcastle Burnley Watford shouldn’t be a problem.

I think the reason people are getting so het up is that they just want Benitez out regardless and they know that if he wins a few more league games then any chance of relegation will be fairly much gone and their opportunity for this to happen is gone until next season. As the squad changes we might even be better next season and he therefore won’t get fired for a while. That’s why there’s so much screaming about individual results, about Rondon, about oddly selected samples of specific games. Anything to add to the noise to try and get him fired now. That’s why some seem to have their nose out of shape he hasn’t gone out of the cup tonight.

I’d have more respect for posters if they just said that they don’t want Benitez no matter what. I’d disagree with it but I’d accept it lots easily. But screaming for a manager to be fired when we’re 15th (with a game in hand), he had 1.7 mill to spend in the summer, inherited a rubbish squad, and we’ve had our best strikers missing for a lot of the season just seems silly. Even more stupid is claiming he must be fired for losing to Brentford or Palace, two teams between them have beaten Arsenal and City, and taken points off Liverpool and Chelsea. Arguments like this just look narrow and petty against the backdrop of trying to turn around 7 years of complete mismanagement.
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I didn’t want Benitez. About 30% of it was due to the ex liverpool factor. 60% of it was because I didn’t think he was up to the job based on his recent history, and 10% was his general character. That said, I was willing to give him a chance, to see if he’d changed from the quite unlikeable character I remembered, and if he’d moved on from his prehistoric tactics and into the modern age of football.

That has now Changed to me 100%not wanting him to be here because he has shown he’s not up to it. A short new manager bounce aside (far shorter than other supposedly inferior managers), we’ve been woeful and getting worse.

His stubbornness and ego have not only cost us points but are now on the verge of costing us a chunk of money on one of the few saleable assets we have.

The football is mind numbingly awful to watch, and he has - true to previous form - blamed it on everyone from a DoF who clearly wasn’t being allowed to do his job, to a sports scientist, to the players, to the fans, to avoid taking the blame himself. Next will be picking a fight with the owner. At that point hopefully this entire failed experiment will come to an abrupt end.

I don’t especially blame Benitez for this situation. That part is on Moshiri. It was a lunatic decision to make which was ALWAYS going to lead to massive dissent amongst the fans (though to say the fanbase is “split” is not really true. You wouldn’t say a cake was “split” when one small slice is cut out of it).

Yes there were a chunk of people who were never going to give him a chance. But then DON’T APPOINT SUCH A MANAGER. We supposedly had 30-40 applicants for the job, and Moshiri in his “wisdom” decided to appoint a kopite legend with a recent track record that veered between failure and mediocrity.

That we got dissent, dislike, mediocrity and failure in return was utterly predictable.
 
Neiler said:
I just cringe if we have to defend a corner or free kick, awful, no body on the posts and zonal bs, we don’t have the players for it. We were excellent on set peices man for man last season. We’ve regressed.

Definsively we don’t know what to do between the lines, half hearted attempts at pressing from the front, the gap in between the lines is to big between forwards, wingers and central midfielders for it to be effective and you can cut through like butter. Players are confused, that’s all bad management.

El Bino. won’t happen though, the club are determined not to sack another manager, they’ve purged their DOF - given him full control and backed him in the market. We’re stuck with occupied Everton until at least the end of the season. The sooner we get to 40 the better, because our set up is poor.
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We'd have the people if we could ever get healthy. I'm not sure man to man would go better but then we could blame individuals at least.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
And neither of those managers - even in their bad/sacking seasons - had a run like Benitez has had us on. Nor did either make decisions as inexplicable as theirs have been.
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We're underperforming but not to the extent many in this thread think we are.

Look at the squad and tell me thats a squad capable of more than 10th-12th - its not.

So 14th/15th isnt great but 18 games in im not at panic stations yet like many are.

If come game 38 we are still 15th then fair enough I can see the argument of parting ways and using the summer to bring someone in - but mid season? Daft idea imo.
 

Saint Domingo said:
I’m not particularly interested in short term samples like 12 games, or in hypothetical managers. Yes I’m sure that we could have hired someone different, results may have been different also (for better or for worse), but as soon as Benitez is appointed I don’t understand this obsession with trying to get him fired. Everyone knew this would be a multi year turn around job with fundamental issues to fix at the club.

Let’s be honest if he’d come in and Mina DCL and Richarlison had been available to him more often than not, we’d probably have a handful more points but the key underlying issues at Everton would be exactly the same and still require fixing

Recruitment, medical department, player mentality, club structure and accountabilities. These are the big ticket items that take a long time to fix. Against that backdrop I’m not particularly outraged by a 12 game run or think in any way it warrants a managerial sacking. We’ll continue to be completely pants until someone fixes these big ticket items. To Benitez’s credit he’s actually having a go at them. Let’s at least see how he does?

I really don’t see what people are worried about. If the poor form continues he’ll get fired which is what people want. If the squad is as good as people think and other managers so competent then finishing ahead of three of Norwich Newcastle Burnley Watford shouldn’t be a problem.

I think the reason people are getting so het up is that they just want Benitez out regardless and they know that if he wins a few more league games then any chance of relegation will be fairly much gone and their opportunity for this to happen is gone until next season. As the squad changes we might even be better next season and he therefore won’t get fired for a while. That’s why there’s so much screaming about individual results, about Rondon, about oddly selected samples of specific games. Anything to add to the noise to try and get him fired now. That’s why some seem to have their nose out of shape he hasn’t gone out of the cup tonight.

I’d have more respect for posters if they just said that they don’t want Benitez no matter what. I’d disagree with it but I’d accept it lots easily. But screaming for a manager to be fired when we’re 15th (with a game in hand), he had 1.7 mill to spend in the summer, inherited a rubbish squad, and we’ve had our best strikers missing for a lot of the season just seems silly. Even more stupid is claiming he must be fired for losing to Brentford or Palace, two teams between them have beaten Arsenal and City, and taken points off Liverpool and Chelsea. Arguments like this just look narrow and petty against the backdrop of trying to turn around 7 years of complete mismanagement.
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He hasn't got a clue. If you are looking at how he is setting us up, his subs etc. and thinking that he is in control then I am not sure that there is much to say to you.
 

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