2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[davek]

Imagine being taken in by a fraud Dave, just imagine.........

You dont have to imagine...

 

[Colonel Getafe]

I think we'll comfortably beat them mate. The embarrassing thing will be Benitez' acolytes anointing him has some sort of miracle worker for beating them.

I can already hear the voices of his sycophantic bellends on every podcast saying those golden words "has Rafael's Everton finally turned a corner?" when we get a 3-1 win with 42% possession against bottom of the league.

 

[JimmyK]

6 points from 36 with a Kopite in charge and there's people - real ones not try hards like dave - defending him. I honestly never thought i'd see the day that things would get this bad but it feels like this isn't even close to the worst of it.

 

[kenada_blue]

This is a load of rubbish sorry, they managed to play football before arriving at Everton, they must have done to be Premier League footballers. It's a very weak lame excuse for the manager being a tactical coward.

Sell any of our players to say Potter and I bet they can play football. They may be crap as a unit and such but individually they are top flight pros, saying they can't play football is laughable.

I did mean as a unit not individually which as a team, he'd struggle to play his style. But it's the idea that we'd allow him to rebuild to play that way. You'd see seeds of an identity.

I and many others don't want Benitez to rebuild Everton in his image. He's not worth it. He's not shown anything to say what he's doing to worth giving time and money to reach

 

[Howard's Beard]

"though"?

I dont understand.

Oh, I see I misunderstood. Charitably, I thought you were being ironic. But you actually are a boot-licking strongman fetishizer. Best get starting on the statue of our glorious leader.

 

[MACCA75]

Get rid of Brands, he wasn’t doing his job. Get rid of the recruitment team, they were failing. Get rid of James he was on too much money. Get rid of Kean, he didn’t want to be here. Get rid of Digne, he didn’t like the tactics.

It’s all good until you see the absolute skip fire we are left with.

 

[davek]

6 points from 36 with a Kopite in charge and there's people - real ones not try hards like dave - defending him. I honestly never thought i'd see the day that things would get this bad but it feels like this isn't even close to the worst of it.

Let me condense what's happened for you just so you know what's happened, as you seem to be confused about it:

This manager has been hired by the club to take a blow torch to the flabby, arrogant profligate player culture that has almost brought it to its knees.

The owner failed to blink when we lost the derby big time, and since then we've seen a consolidation of the man in charge.

I hope that clarifies it for you and anyone else still harbouring grudges or hopes that this manager is facing the axe.


The Everton Anarcho-Syndicalist Players Dressing Room is under severe attack and using all its resources in the media to mount a fightback. It will not prevail.

 

[Neiler]

Let me condense what's happened for you just so you know what's happened, as you seem to be confused about it:

This manager has been hired by the club to take a blow torch to the flabby, arrogant profligate player culture that has almost brought it to its knees.

The owner failed to blink when we lost the derby big time, and since then we've seen a consolidation of the man in charge.

I hope that clarifies it for you and anyone else still harbouring grudges or hopes that this manager is facing the axe.


The Everton Anarcho-Syndicalist Players Dressing Room is under severe attack and using all its resources in the media to mount a fightback. It will not prevail.

Stevie G likes this. lol

 

[NeroCeasar]

You dont have to imagine...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

 

[blueblue]

I can already hear the voices of his sycophantic bellends on every podcast saying those golden words "has Rafael's Everton finally turned a corner?" when we get a 3-1 win with 42% possession.

Would you have a problem with a 3-1win?

I don't really understand why anyone would try to pigeon hole somebody who may have an opposing view.

There are some who hate the manager, few who love him but the majority are looking at results and performances.

His supporters have their point of view and that should be respected.

Equally those who will never support him should have their stance respected without resorting to childish name calling.

I didn't want him as manager but I support every Everton manager.
I thought Marco Silva wasn't ever up to managing a club like Everton at that stage in his career but supported him anyway.

RB was appointed because it was clearly recognised the club was drifting aimlessly and radical measures had to be taken to change the direction of the club.

Time will tell if he was the right appointment but he will have my support until he is no longer manager.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Let me condense what's happened for you just so you know what's happened, as you seem to be confused about it:

This manager has been hired by the club to take a blow torch to the flabby, arrogant profligate player culture that has almost brought it to its knees.

The owner failed to blink when we lost the derby big time, and since then we've seen a consolidation of the man in charge.

I hope that clarifies it for you and anyone else still harbouring grudges or hopes that this manager is facing the axe.


The Everton Anarcho-Syndicalist Players Dressing Room is under severe attack and using all its resources in the media to mount a fightback. It will not prevail.

So you agree that the results on the field have been garbage, good to know.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

Would you have a problem with a 3-1win?

I don't really understand why anyone would try to pigeon hole somebody who may have an opposing view.

Nope, I think we'll win 3-1. If there's one game I do fancy us to get 3 points in its against the bottom of the league fodder. Also, not pigeon holing anyone. Have whatever opinion ya like. Matters not a jot to me. ?

 

[Harryflashman]

Would you have a problem with a 3-1win?

I don't really understand why anyone would try to pigeon hole somebody who may have an opposing view.

There are some who hate the manager, few who love him but the majority are looking at results and performances.

His supporters have their point of view and that should be respected.

Equally those who will never support him should have their stance respected without resorting to childish name calling.

I didn't want him as manager but I support every Everton manager.
I thought Marco Silva wasn't ever up to managing a club like Everton at that stage in his career but supported him anyway.

RB was appointed because it was clearly recognised the club was drifting aimlessly and radical measures had to be taken to change the direction of the club.

Time will tell if he was the right appointment but he will have my support until he is no longer manager.

I can’t stand him and I’ll have a large drink the day he’s gone but I hope we win versus Norwich and frankly I don’t care how we do it . No because I’m supporting the manager but because I don’t won’t him taking us down .

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Would you have a problem with a 3-1win?

I don't really understand why anyone would try to pigeon hole somebody who may have an opposing view.

There are some who hate the manager, few who love him but the majority are looking at results and performances.

His supporters have their point of view and that should be respected.

Equally those who will never support him should have their stance respected without resorting to childish name calling.

I didn't want him as manager but I support every Everton manager.
I thought Marco Silva wasn't ever up to managing a club like Everton at that stage in his career but supported him anyway.

RB was appointed because it was clearly recognised the club was drifting aimlessly and radical measures had to be taken to change the direction of the club.

Time will tell if he was the right appointment but he will have my support until he is no longer manager.

Is the correct stance to take really

 

[jcschu]

The problem we have had for years now is the culture at the club bleeding through to new players , combined with signings that were simply not good enough.

When you look at the likes of Chelsea , their senior players are winners. So when backs against the wall, they can drag newer players through and continue to win, iregardless of the manager. That then breeds that winning mentality into the younger players coming through and gets them in the right mindset.

Look at the likes of Burnley and their long standing players are drilled into the culture of the club. So when their backs against the wall, you have the senior players there to grind out results when they need them, until this season at least. They know the philosophy and will run through walls for dyche.

Then you look at us. Our senior players have never been winners nor have they had a mentality drilled into them. Whether it was Martinez lack of coaching , koeman giving up , Silva just refusing to change his tactics or benitez managing like he is trying to relegate a club. There is no reprecussions for not playing well, no desire to win things or to fight. Many players over the years have their place in the team no matter what, look at Coleman as a good example of this. Never been replaced until now so no matter how well he played or not, guaranteed place in the team.

We could have had a culture change here in 2017 with the mass recruitment but instead we chose to get rid of most of those players , leaving the same faces still here to retire/wind down doing the same motions, with no risk to their place here.

I'd argue that this digne / new fullbacks deal is both the right thing to do and the wrong way about it. Shunting one of better players in such a manner is bad for the team but changing a long standing player for two fairly new can help change the dynamic , bit by bit. Just need the manager to go with them now.

Perfectly understand that. Mediocrity and soft spine has been the most consistent culture over the last decade or so. Just like an addict who can't leave the "mediocre dose" that kept them comfortable and happy every now and then. New joiners, young or established will be generously given one dose and they immediately felt it's like a warm home. (sorry about the metaphor if used inappropriately).

Then comes to the demon/angel. He won't care if you will die for that. Imagine there's 25 players already get used to the lovely life in Merseyside and being told "You all lack of winning mentality, let me bring you glory!". That's really a scene.

He can't cope with established stars that all have an ego. It's Gray, Gordon, Townsend, Branthwaite or even Mykolenko or Patterson that mostly listen and progress under him. But once they evolved and become stars, they could find him annoying as he will never stop trying to make them "better" or "sacrifice for the team". That's how he fell apart with Alonso. He nurtured him but so ruthless to ditch him once he needed to generate funds to buy younger players. That's why he also failed at Real and Inter. Those superstars just can't endure all the memos or tips that he can't even achieve as a footballer.

He did lure some admirers like Hamsik from Napoli to China. He is always ambitious and started "big project" everywhere he went to. Turned out half of those places are still in shambles. He banked on the takeover in Newcastle (Staveley wanted him by that time) and missed. He went to China for some "huge project" and failed. Once the opportunity of "returning home" presented to him, he thought it's his redemption time with the support from Moshiri. He always looked for project with money behind, but everywhere he went to is just to stabilize the ship and spend less. Ironic enough.

If he somehow survive the next few games and bring in a few lads who are not "Rondon". You might actually have to see him for much longer. Many fans would be so painful to witness, plus beautiful football or glory not guaranteed too.