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[Gupta]

Because of the way Islam sees women I wouldn't be happy about it either. Sikh, Hindu's not a problem.

Not all muslims (in fact, comparatively few) treat women the way we're led to believe you know.
I know of several marriages between muslims and non-muslims which are very happy ones indeed.
But then, they won't make the papers.

 

[hullefc]

How dare you level that at the troops, you are showing your true ignorance there. "widespread" get your facts and proof before you start tarring everyone with the brush of a minority, you sound like the extremist you are trying to accuse everyone else of being

In Iraq there is estimated to be between 150 000 to 1 000 000 deaths due to the 'war' which the British armed forces were involved in. In Afghanistan the British military were involved in a 'war' that killed an estimated 100 000 civilians.

The British military have been involved in widespread torture in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And the evidence,

Fresh evidence has emerged that British military intelligence ran a secret operation in Iraq which authorised degrading and unlawful treatment of prisoners. Documents reveal that prisoners were kept hooded for long periods in intense heat and deprived of sleep by defence intelligence officers. They also reveal that officers running the operation claimed to be answerable only "directly to London".

The revelations will further embarrass the British government, which last month was forced to release documents showing it knew that UK resident and terror suspect Binyam Mohamed had been tortured in Pakistan.

The latest documents emerged during the inquiry into Baha Mousa, an Iraqi hotel worker beaten to death while in the custody of British troops in September 2003. The inquiry is looking into how interrogation techniques banned by the Government in 1972 and considered torture and degrading treatment were used again in Iraq.

Lawyers believe the new evidence supports suspicions that an intelligence unit – the Joint Forward Interrogation Team (JFIT) which operated in Iraq – used illegal "coercive techniques" and was not answerable to military commanders in Iraq, despite official denials it operated independently. Independent 21st. march 2010.

 

[Gupta]

Just to qualify myself by the way given my username, I'm white British with Irish ancestry.
And I live in Old Swan.

:blink:

 

[Blue 1]

Of course not all muslims are extremists who are willing to strap bombs to themselves. But Islam as an ideology is extreme by nature and if you follow it to the letter of the law then non muslims aren't equal human beings. Brought into modern day western society many of them hold racist and actually quite fascist beliefs. There's this myth going around that because they are ethnic (or the majority are, Islam isn't a race ffs) that they cant be racist. Bollocks. There attitudes to the white or even just the non muslim man is appalling at times. Its why we have this epidemic of all muslim peodophile gangs abusing specifically white young girls because they're religion allows them to. Mohammad had sex with a 9 year old didn't he? Or something like that. Again, ask a muslim girls brothers or cousins if its ok for her to go out with that white boy and see what they say to you. The majority of them would be like 'no chance' and in some cases respond with violence. Ask them what they think of The Jews. Yup. Islam and Fascism run hand in hand.

Replace the word muslim with jew in that barely coherent screed and it'd be almost verbatim 1930's German rhetoric.

 

[EFCNIK]

Replace the word muslim with jew in that barely coherent screed and it'd be almost verbatim 1930's German rhetoric.

LOLOLOL

 

[Pblueman]

again you are using media coverage of a few to label all troops as torturers and murderers. what about the media of the good stuff the troops have done? selective i know. like the squaddie who stopped to chat with a young lad while on patrol. gave him a bag of sweets. went out on his next patrol hours later to find the lad hanged and beaten to death by the taliban. or when we train the afghans so they can police their own streets only to be shot by taliban infiltrators? No none of that lets focus purely on the actions of a minority to label everyone.

 

[Walken]

again you are using media coverage of a few to label all troops as torturers and murderers. what about the media of the good stuff the troops have done? selective i know. like the squaddie who stopped to chat with a young lad while on patrol. gave him a bag of sweets. went out on his next patrol hours later to find the lad hanged and beaten to death by the taliban. or when we train the afghans so they can police their own streets only to be shot by taliban infiltrators? No none of that lets focus purely on the actions of a minority to label everyone.

quite ironic though, given some peoples views, not your own though

 

[EFCNIK]

I don't really get where this 'the media portrays them as terrorists'. If anything we are constantly force fed that Islam is the religion of all good in the world. Maybe the daily mail doesn't paint that picture but the BBC and other major channels most certainly do. Constantly avoiding the issues.

 

[hullefc]

Replace the word muslim with jew in that barely coherent screed and it'd be almost verbatim 1930's German rhetoric.

History is being replayed, but this time it is Islam that is the 'problem' and just waiting for the 'final solution'. The blame game rhetoric is the same today as in the 30s.

I remember Martin Niemoller's ode

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

The list being castigated is longer today to include the poor, disabled, anyone receiving a benefit etc.

 

[Blue 1]

LOLOLOL

It's funny because it's true.

 

[EFCNIK]

It's funny because it's true.

Because I don't agree with an ideology it means I want them all Germany'd. OH RYT M8.

 

[Pblueman]

you've just agreed with what i was talking about earlier? people staying silent for fear of being labelled until there is no one to speak out. hence the reason i spoke about all troops being labelled murderers.

 

[Gupta]

I don't really get where this 'the media portrays them as terrorists'. If anything we are constantly force fed that Islam is the religion of all good in the world. Maybe the daily mail doesn't paint that picture but the BBC and other major channels most certainly do. Constantly avoiding the issues.

Are you trolling here?

 

[EFCNIK]

Are you trolling here?

I don't read newspapers and I only go with what's on the bbc. With regard to the grooming gangs that are finally being addressed they constantly avoid referring to them as Muslim, only Asian which quite frankly is offensive to Sikh's and Hindu's and Buddhist's and if anything tarnishes an even bigger section of society. Islam is the root cause of it, or the form they practice, so why not address it and include the muslim community in addressing it and work together to eradicate whats clearly going on? Silence and denial does nothing but fuel far right ideology, which in turn fuels the just as dangerous and just as fascist far left ideology and you have this big confrontation.

 

[hullefc]

again you are using media coverage of a few to label all troops as torturers and murderers. what about the media of the good stuff the troops have done? selective i know. like the squaddie who stopped to chat with a young lad while on patrol. gave him a bag of sweets. went out on his next patrol hours later to find the lad hanged and beaten to death by the taliban. or when we train the afghans so they can police their own streets only to be shot by taliban infiltrators? No none of that lets focus purely on the actions of a minority to label everyone.

The British and Americans chose to invade Afghanistan like some Colonial Blimp and now they have been defeated are talking to the Taliban. The Taliban were the creation of the US/Britain to help fight the Soviets and learnt many techniques of warfare from the CIA and the SAS in Pakistan.