Relegation 2022/23

[Tim Cahill's Corner Flag]

Surviving will be a cakewalk compared to the last day of the 1993/94 season.
If we survived that, we will survive here.

 

[efcfanwirral]

I had a dream last night that all three teams drew.

Going to put £5 on it just in case as this has happened before!

 

[Drico]

I'm finding my zen in the attitude I see many others have: if we can't beat Bournemouth at home, when they are playing for nothing and we everything, then relegation would be deserved.

I'm not even considering Leeds or Leicester. Our target is clear and uncomplicated. Beat Bournemouth.

Yeah. I mean, we would all love it, Luv it, LUV IT if we stayed up.

But at some point we have to be worthy of it. I have long thought the likes of Iwobi, Doucoure, Godfrey, and Holgate have been a bad move or dodgy agent away from the second division. Now they can disprove that theory. I dearly hope they do - but I wouldn't bet on it...

 

[DanB90]

I've been stalking your forum occasionally across this season, ditto Forest, Leeds and any other side who briefly flirted with relegation across the past few months and I must say yours is the most amusing.

Sure, Leicester has picked up some absolutely moronic fans over the past few years - perhaps more than most. There is certainly an arrogance across some aspects of the club's support too, same with any club in top flight. It's taken Forest fans' less than a season to forget they were knocking around the Football League for two decades doing next to nothing prior to this season. Leicester have been the most successful English club in the past decade outside of a handful of the 'bigger boys'. Sure, prior to that and outside of the 90s, we've very much been a yo-yo club with the odd brief foray. However, the irony of this particular part of the post was something that I simply couldn't allow to go by without comment.

This post is Everton Football Club. Over the past few years alone you have sold:

Stones
Barkley
Lukaku
Gueye (then got him back when he had massively deteriorated)
Richarlison
Gordon (remains to be seen if that was a good move or not)

And replaced them with absolute dross. Any football fan of my age, early 30s, knows Everton has nothing more than a middling Premier League side with a decent history, that is getting further and further away with each passing season.

I imagine you'll stay up this season; we'll find a way to mess it up even if you do fail to beat Bournemouth, but, in all honesty, I think fans of both clubs know that the bottom 4, possibly even 5, all deserve to go this year. Every club outside of the top 6, and now 7 with Newcastle, are a couple of bad transfer windows, an injury crisis, or a negative change in ownership away from relegation. We'll go this year, or next, Leeds the same, Forest also. Everton will, eventually, be flushed.

Perhaps in future though remember that the year is 2023 and you are not the 'great' club you once were. All clubs start their periods of success somewhere and fans of every club has a right to voice their concern when they go from what should have been consecutive top 4 places and an FA Cup win to relegation and the break up of our most successful period in our entire history. We were the talk of the town for a few years, now it's Brighton, next it'll be Fulham, Brentford, or Burnley, or perhaps even Coventry City. Football is cyclical in nature, unless you support Everton over the past few years - in which case it's more Hotel California.

Here's to the clubs outside the top 6 (or 7) continuing to make a name for themselves and disrupting the natural order of things, not living off triumphs that took place under a three day week.

I know all fan forums are a bit of an echo chamber of biasedness, but you’re not saying anything here that most of us don’t already know.

I’d say the majority of this forum is pretty self aware and will agree we currently are where we deserve to be.

I wouldn’t take it so personal when you see mean things written about the club yiu support on a rival fans forum. Just as we don’t take it personal when your fans come to Goodison park with their horrid Tory shouts even though they live in the shithole that is Leicester.

Welcome to the forum. Post lots.

 

[LucBesson]

My prediction is Leicester will go 1-0 up within five minutes. Everybody will **** the proverbial bed.

We will huff and puff to get a goal and fail. West Ham will do us a massive favour and get an equaliser and we will stay up almost by 'default'. A truly pathetic end to a truly pathetic season that will be heralded a 'success' before the pattern repeats itself yet again in 23/24.

 

[Ring master]

I honestly think Leicester may get caught out by West Ham - I can see WH caughting them on a counter a few times, and if Leeds did win - i do not see them winning by 3 - Leeds have only won by 3 a few times in over a few years - so we may fall over the line if we somehow dont win

 

[Axlswhk]

I believe Leicester will win and leeds getting a draw at best.

Can’t say with the same confidence we will get 3 points. Not looking good.

 

[Drico]

This post is Everton Football Club. Over the past few years alone you have sold:

Stones
Barkley
Lukaku
Gueye (then got him back when he had massively deteriorated)
Richarlison
Gordon (remains to be seen if that was a good move or not)

And replaced them with absolute dross.

You are right about the "absolute dross" bit. Unquestionably.

However, you are barking up the wrong tree about the sales. Barkley moved on and his career went down the toilet - as many of us on here predicted it would. Richarlison's move to Spurs has been a disaster - as some of us thought it would be (we always said he'd be swapping Goodison for the Spurs bench). Gordon going to Newcastle was a magnificent piece of business by our incompetent board. Stones was always destined for better things in a side that didn't have to defend. And even Big Rom's career since he left us has hardly taken the trajectory he had hoped for.

My point? David Moyes's old adage still stands: "Not many people leave Everton and go on to better things" - Moyes, himself, being a case in point (after his career collapsed at United, Sunderland, and Sociedad, and he's on the verge of another sacking now at West Ham despite his European exploits).

The only Everton player to truly go on and beat the world after leaving us this century is Wayne Rooney - and that was only at club level. At international level, he never matched his exploits at Euro 2004 as an Everton player. Arteta went to Arsenal and won a few cups. Great, but so what. Lescott went to City, won his league, but lost his England place when Phil Jagielka, his old Everton partner, was in the 2014 World Cup side along with Leighton Baines.

So, a few will leave us and do well enough to say it was worthwhile. The majority never go on and reach new heights. Why is that? Because playing in a good Everton side usually means you're about 6th or 7th in the league. It's very rare we ever have players who outperform our average team position.

But we have replaced almost all of them with dross. I'll give you that.

 

[sandybrownsbighead]

My prediction is Leicester will go 1-0 up within five minutes. Everybody will **** the proverbial bed.

We will huff and puff to get a goal and fail. West Ham will do us a massive favour and get an equaliser and we will stay up almost by 'default'. A truly pathetic end to a truly pathetic season that will be heralded a 'success' before the pattern repeats itself yet again in 23/24.

I call VAR check on that Leicester goal, the first of many false alarms

 

[Tim Cahill's Corner Flag]

Moyes will have West Ham fired up
Leeds won't beat Spurs
Bournemouth are already on vacation

 

[PotKettle]

I know all fan forums are a bit of an echo chamber of biasedness, but you’re not saying anything here that most of us don’t already know.

I’d say the majority of this forum is pretty self aware and will agree we currently are where we deserve to be.

I wouldn’t take it so personal when you see mean things written about the club yiu support on a rival fans forum. Just as we don’t take it personal when your fans come to Goodison park with their horrid Tory shouts even though they live in the shithole that is Leicester.

Welcome to the forum. Post lots.

Oh, absolutely. I It's the constant 'know your place in this world' mantra that the so called 'bigger clubs' have every other club that has irked me ever since we dared do something other than get promoted and immediately relegated again. Ironically, it's quite the Tory view on life. Belittling those beneath you whilst your own house is burning to the ground.

It's as though certain corners of the footballing fan-base world would like the Premier League to be United, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Leeds, Villa, and Newcastle just playing each other on repeat whilst congratulating one another on what wonderful big clubs they all are. Perhaps the occasional invite to Sunderland, Forest, or Wednesday.

Finally, just to add a prediction from our corner - I would be amazed if we pull it off on Sunday. One of our biggest problems over the last couple of years is how mentally weak we are as a team. Prior to the Wolves game a couple of weeks ago we hadn't won a league game by a single goal for over a calendar year. The only way I could see our lot coping staying up would be if you massively implode and we beat a West Ham side who can't particularly be bothered by a couple of goals.

We had a final day similar situation a couple of years ago, albeit at the other end of the table, when we needed to better Chelsea's result to get 4th place. Chelsea lost 2-1 (from memory) away at Villa and we contrived to lose 4-2 at home to Spurs, who had nothing particularly exciting to play for.

 

[MACCA75]

I've been stalking your forum occasionally across this season, ditto Forest, Leeds and any other side who briefly flirted with relegation across the past few months and I must say yours is the most amusing.

Sure, Leicester has picked up some absolutely moronic fans over the past few years - perhaps more than most. There is certainly an arrogance across some aspects of the club's support too, same with any club in top flight. It's taken Forest fans' less than a season to forget they were knocking around the Football League for two decades doing next to nothing prior to this season. Leicester have been the most successful English club in the past decade outside of a handful of the 'bigger boys'. Sure, prior to that and outside of the 90s, we've very much been a yo-yo club with the odd brief foray. However, the irony of this particular part of the post was something that I simply couldn't allow to go by without comment.

This post is Everton Football Club. Over the past few years alone you have sold:

Stones
Barkley
Lukaku
Gueye (then got him back when he had massively deteriorated)
Richarlison
Gordon (remains to be seen if that was a good move or not)

And replaced them with absolute dross. Any football fan of my age, early 30s, knows Everton has nothing more than a middling Premier League side with a decent history, that is getting further and further away with each passing season.

I imagine you'll stay up this season; we'll find a way to mess it up even if you do fail to beat Bournemouth, but, in all honesty, I think fans of both clubs know that the bottom 4, possibly even 5, all deserve to go this year. Every club outside of the top 6, and now 7 with Newcastle, are a couple of bad transfer windows, an injury crisis, or a negative change in ownership away from relegation. We'll go this year, or next, Leeds the same, Forest also. Everton will, eventually, be flushed.

Perhaps in future though remember that the year is 2023 and you are not the 'great' club you once were. All clubs start their periods of success somewhere and fans of every club has a right to voice their concern when they go from what should have been consecutive top 4 places and an FA Cup win to relegation and the break up of our most successful period in our entire history. We were the talk of the town for a few years, now it's Brighton, next it'll be Fulham, Brentford, or Burnley, or perhaps even Coventry City. Football is cyclical in nature, unless you support Everton over the past few years - in which case it's more Hotel California.

Here's to the clubs outside the top 6 (or 7) continuing to make a name for themselves and disrupting the natural order of things, not living off triumphs that took place under a three day week.

You are saying we look down at Leicester?

Yes we do. Here’s why. So you’ve been an adult maybe 18 years?
In this period (the most successful in the history of the club) Leicester’s average finishing position is 20.7
Everton’s (most baron period in clubs history) is 8.2.

You are comparing an above average Leicester season with the worst one in our history.

 

[Paul Rideout]

I do love it when fans of other teams come on here and pontificate that we're not a big club any more, we should go down this season and if not we will go down in the near future...

... especially fans of a yo-yo club who were almost relegated one season, won the league/qualified for the champions league the following season. it's like you've gotten selective amnesia or you just think it can only happen to your club.

Sure we might go back down (back as in the last time was in the 1950's), but we're in the era of clubs going on dominating runs of league wins (Man U, Chelsea and now Man City) and despite that still have the 4th most leagues, and still most years in the top flight.

Yeah we fell off the pace a little with the current period of over-commercialisation of a sport, but to deny or discount our prior achievements is to deny the history of the sport itself.

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

I've been stalking your forum occasionally across this season, ditto Forest, Leeds and any other side who briefly flirted with relegation across the past few months and I must say yours is the most amusing.

Sure, Leicester has picked up some absolutely moronic fans over the past few years - perhaps more than most. There is certainly an arrogance across some aspects of the club's support too, same with any club in top flight. It's taken Forest fans' less than a season to forget they were knocking around the Football League for two decades doing next to nothing prior to this season. Leicester have been the most successful English club in the past decade outside of a handful of the 'bigger boys'. Sure, prior to that and outside of the 90s, we've very much been a yo-yo club with the odd brief foray. However, the irony of this particular part of the post was something that I simply couldn't allow to go by without comment.

This post is Everton Football Club. Over the past few years alone you have sold:

Stones
Barkley
Lukaku
Gueye (then got him back when he had massively deteriorated)
Richarlison
Gordon (remains to be seen if that was a good move or not)

And replaced them with absolute dross. Any football fan of my age, early 30s, knows Everton has nothing more than a middling Premier League side with a decent history, that is getting further and further away with each passing season.

I imagine you'll stay up this season; we'll find a way to mess it up even if you do fail to beat Bournemouth, but, in all honesty, I think fans of both clubs know that the bottom 4, possibly even 5, all deserve to go this year. Every club outside of the top 6, and now 7 with Newcastle, are a couple of bad transfer windows, an injury crisis, or a negative change in ownership away from relegation. We'll go this year, or next, Leeds the same, Forest also. Everton will, eventually, be flushed.

Perhaps in future though remember that the year is 2023 and you are not the 'great' club you once were. All clubs start their periods of success somewhere and fans of every club has a right to voice their concern when they go from what should have been consecutive top 4 places and an FA Cup win to relegation and the break up of our most successful period in our entire history. We were the talk of the town for a few years, now it's Brighton, next it'll be Fulham, Brentford, or Burnley, or perhaps even Coventry City. Football is cyclical in nature, unless you support Everton over the past few years - in which case it's more Hotel California.

Here's to the clubs outside the top 6 (or 7) continuing to make a name for themselves and disrupting the natural order of things, not living off triumphs that took place under a three day week.

Oh, we know know we have made a mess of everything for decades and are currently poo. Don’t need educating on that at all.

 

[LucBesson]

You are right about the "absolute dross" bit. Unquestionably.

However, you are barking up the wrong tree about the sales. Barkley moved on and his career went down the toilet - as many of us on here predicted it would. Richarlison's move to Spurs has been a disaster - as some of us thought it would be (we always said he'd be swapping Goodison for the Spurs bench). Gordon going to Newcastle was a magnificent piece of business by our incompetent board. Stones was always destined for better things in a side that didn't have to defend. And even Big Rom's career since he left us has hardly taken the trajectory he had hoped for.

My point? David Moyes's old adage still stands: "Not many people leave Everton and go on to better things" - Moyes, himself, being a case in point (after his career collapsed at United, Sunderland, and Sociedad, and he's on the verge of another sacking now at West Ham despite his European exploits).

The only Everton player to truly go on and beat the world after leaving us this century is Wayne Rooney - and that was only at club level. At international level, he never matched his exploits at Euro 2004 as an Everton player. Arteta went to Arsenal and won a few cups. Great, but so what. Lescott went to City, won his league, but lost his England place when Phil Jagielka, his old Everton partner, was in the 2014 World Cup side along with Leighton Baines.

So, a few will leave us and do well enough to say it was worthwhile. The majority never go on and reach new heights. Why is that? Because playing in a good Everton side usually means you're about 6th or 7th in the league. It's very rare we ever have players who outperform our average team position.

But we have replaced almost all of them with dross. I'll give you that.

Good post in general but there is some straw clutching here?

"Won a few cups. Great, but so what" Isn't that the precise point of football? He's also a legend at the club and it's paved the way for the man's managerial career. Rooney went on to win everything and become the top scorer at one of the biggest clubs in the world, and his national team too. He didn't hit the heights of EURO 2004 because he went into most tournaments carrying at injury.

Lukaku has also been far better off leaving us regardless of whether it's been what he hoped for or not.

Like it or not, we are mediocrity personified and even Richarlison, as awful as his season has been, HAD to take the gamble because we are going nowhere fast.