Relegation

[Joeharper07]

Yup.

Martinez dined out on the defensive resilience and culture that Moyes built over nearly a decade, that took about a season and a half to drain away once he left. That was strong enough for Martinez to nearly make CL when he added Lukaku to the mix. That's Martinez with argubly the best squad in the world at Belgium and STILL not make a major final.

Despite the eventual recognition of Moyes achievements, I've never seen the same characteristics in other young British managers (Dyche, Howe, Potter etc) recognised amongst Everton fans. The desire and belief we needed a flashy name to cement us in Europe was like a tattoo. Alladyce had us in 8th... imagine that now. The guy was ridiculed.

In this sense, the natural conclusion of relegation ( I think it's now more likely than not ) only bears out basic footballing principles. Build from the back and try and find that talent that shades tight games. Grow from within. Everton has done the opposite since Moyes departure. We have a bit of forward talent (Rico, and DCL/Gray once a month, Gordon young but v.promising) but absolutely no resilience from midfield backwards. Just one add-on after another. Sticky tape.

Would relegation be bad?
- Newcastle, Villa, Leicester, Southampton, West Ham have reacted with better fortunes when clearing out toxic ownership
- It will force us to rid ourselves of a beleaguered squad too, and build the youth system that's been allow to fester at Everton
- But Sunderland, Portsmouth, Forest, Leeds and other well supported clubs show that this path can also be a torturous one with many still up and down frequently - the true cost of mismanagement and complacent player, agent and mgt splurges under Moshiri and Kenwright, post Moyes.

I pray we can stay up, but it must not cloud what needs to be done to correct our path.

You miss out the big elephant in the room , besides players jumping ship ( the ones you most likely don’t want to )
the stadium will undoubtedly be mothballed possibly never to happen in its present form ... this is the biggest car crash of all seasons

 

[kenada_blue]

Mad how Newcastle can turn it around and we can't.

Mainly cos they've more fight in them as a team rather than trying to rely on individuals.

 

[woodsyni]

Every year, we seemed to come out of transfer window without a crucial weakness being addressed. No striker, no right back, no DM whilst buying bang average midfielders. The fans could see it. How could the professionals getting paid obscene amounts of money not? Scandalous actually!

 

[DL100]

This is just beyond miserable. Woke up just deflated and fed up with relegation a real possibility now.

If we go down I honestly don’t think I’ll watch a premier league match again. i lost interest in it a long time ago and only really watch our matches. Still don’t want to go down as it would be terrible for us as a club.

 

[Gordon Lee's Cushion]

I still don’t think we will go down, there are simply put three worse teams than us in the league. We seem to be able to grab the occasion home win that will be enough to keep us up. I know that isn’t great and to be honest it is pretty depressing. What it says to me is that we fans are more up for the fight that this bunch of losers we have wearing the shirt.
Long term a lot of them need shipping out, we may not be as lucky next season as we are with three worse teams, then we really are in trouble.

 

[WilliamPerry]

People can’t help themselves, it’s like they’re desperate to wallow in misery. Very very strange.

Did you not watch the game ? If that doesnt make someone miserable then are they really even arsed at all about the club ?

 

[coollino]

Anyway, Bayern v Salzburg tonight. What's the best result for us?

 

[Andy Gray Diving Headers]

I keep looking at this page, start typing, get annoyed/depressed/nervous about the reality and leave page only to come back later. Last night reminded me of a team who was put in my sons U12 league as a try out. The new team got smashed as they were totally out of their depth and dropped down to a different league.
Looking ahead, I can't think of a line up that won't include Coleman/Keane/Holgate and know that at least one will be in the next team.
If Everton stay up, the support of the fans will be as valuable as anything half of the players offer.

 

[Bluerover]

Yup.

Martinez dined out on the defensive resilience and culture that Moyes built over nearly a decade, that took about a season and a half to drain away once he left. That was strong enough for Martinez to nearly make CL when he added Lukaku to the mix. That's Martinez with argubly the best squad in the world at Belgium and STILL not make a major final.

Despite the eventual recognition of Moyes achievements, I've never seen the same characteristics in other young British managers (Dyche, Howe, Potter etc) recognised amongst Everton fans. The desire and belief we needed a flashy name to cement us in Europe was like a tattoo. Alladyce had us in 8th... imagine that now. The guy was ridiculed.

In this sense, the natural conclusion of relegation ( I think it's now more likely than not ) only bears out basic footballing principles. Build from the back and try and find that talent that shades tight games. Grow from within. Everton has done the opposite since Moyes departure. We have a bit of forward talent (Rico, and DCL/Gray once a month, Gordon young but v.promising) but absolutely no resilience from midfield backwards. Just one add-on after another. Sticky tape.

Would relegation be bad?
- Newcastle, Villa, Leicester, Southampton, West Ham have reacted with better fortunes when clearing out toxic ownership
- It will force us to rid ourselves of a beleaguered squad too, and build the youth system that's been allow to fester at Everton
- But Sunderland, Portsmouth, Forest, Leeds and other well supported clubs show that this path can also be a torturous one with many still up and down frequently - the true cost of mismanagement and complacent player, agent and mgt splurges under Moshiri and Kenwright, post Moyes.

I pray we can stay up, but it must not cloud what needs to be done to correct our path.

Mate, relegation would be a disaster in all sorts of ways.

 

[coollino]

Mad how Newcastle can turn it around and we can't.

Mainly cos they've more fight in them as a team rather than trying to rely on individuals.

If we are to turn it around, it's always been from after the Spurs game tbh

Most would have had that down as an #expectedloss but probably not 5-0

 

[sheedys left foot]

Can we just give a walkover in the Derby?

 

[Bluerover]

Mad how Newcastle can turn it around and we can't.

Mainly cos they've more fight in them as a team rather than trying to rely on individuals.

We don't even have individuals. A crowd of useless overpaid disgraceful insults to wearing the RBJ

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

Secret CCTV footage from Goodison Park. The guy on the left is my 2nd cousin's, brother's, great Aunty's, best mate's, Grandson's, weed dealer. Lifted the footage in a daring mission impossible-esque smash and grab. They were direct order from Moshiri himself:

 

[Brennan]

Did you not watch the game ? If that doesnt make someone miserable then are they really even arsed at all about the club ?

Given we’re in the middle of a national energy crisis and are seeing a war going on in Europe with the existential threat of nuclear weapons in the background, I’d suggest being miserable over a game of football is a bit silly.

But yes if it makes you feel better you’re a super blue for being miserable.

 

[peterw]

Yup.

Martinez dined out on the defensive resilience and culture that Moyes built over nearly a decade, that took about a season and a half to drain away once he left. That was strong enough for Martinez to nearly make CL when he added Lukaku to the mix. That's Martinez with argubly the best squad in the world at Belgium and STILL not make a major final.

Despite the eventual recognition of Moyes achievements, I've never seen the same characteristics in other young British managers (Dyche, Howe, Potter etc) recognised amongst Everton fans. The desire and belief we needed a flashy name to cement us in Europe was like a tattoo. Alladyce had us in 8th... imagine that now. The guy was ridiculed.

In this sense, the natural conclusion of relegation ( I think it's now more likely than not ) only bears out basic footballing principles. Build from the back and try and find that talent that shades tight games. Grow from within. Everton has done the opposite since Moyes departure. We have a bit of forward talent (Rico, and DCL/Gray once a month, Gordon young but v.promising) but absolutely no resilience from midfield backwards. Just one add-on after another. Sticky tape.

Would relegation be bad?
- Newcastle, Villa, Leicester, Southampton, West Ham have reacted with better fortunes when clearing out toxic ownership
- It will force us to rid ourselves of a beleaguered squad too, and build the youth system that's been allow to fester at Everton
- But Sunderland, Portsmouth, Forest, Leeds and other well supported clubs show that this path can also be a torturous one with many still up and down frequently - the true cost of mismanagement and complacent player, agent and mgt splurges under Moshiri and Kenwright, post Moyes.

I pray we can stay up, but it must not cloud what needs to be done to correct our path.

I'm a Villa fan and let me just get one thing out there - relegation is never good.

When we went down in 2016 it was coming and as you said the toxicity of bad ownership and bad attitudes by players had led to a toxic relationship and total disconnect between players and fans. The following season - our first in the Championship - we thought we'd just bounce back. We had a new owner and spent money. It didn't happen and we were mi-table. By the end of the second season we lost the play-off final and then news broke of a miss HMRC tax payment of around £4m. Things looked desperate. luckily we then got the owners we have now, but the following season took a pretty extraordinary late run of 10 wins on the bounce for us to even make the play-offs which we eventually won.

The good side of things are that the games come round so fast if you win you're straight onto the next one, if you lose you don't have time to dwell on it and can fix it. It's also great knowing you are THE biggest club in the league. Wherever you play the crowds are big (even smaller grounds are full) because home teams are coming to see you as much as their team, and you know you'll sell out and have a fair few in home ends. Also, its great to be winning games more than losing. To not fear a tonking and playing every game to win. As the favourites.

But you don't want to get it wrong or get stuck there. If we hadn't have beaten Derby then God knows how long we could have been stuck there for. Sunderland have slipped through, Leeds stayed there for years. But Newcastle did bounce back as did West Ham, pretty quickly. The other thing to note is the longer you are awy the harder it is to stay in the top flight when you come back. Those like Ipswich in days gone by, Sheff U, Leeds, etc may have a great first season on the back of a building momentum from the previous seasons - but you'd be like us if you went and would need a rebuilding so it would be harder. You notice immediately the difference between the Championship and Premier League. 3 years away and everyone in the top flight seemed more athletic than when we were last there, every team - even those at the bottom - have at least one player that can hurt you. it's hard to stabilise when you've been away for a while.

Don't wish for relegation because you think it may be a positive - it very well may not. We're in our thiurd season back and I still cast a glance over my shoulder. I don't ever want to go back there. It's horrible. Like watching 20 average fighters all having one-handed fights to try and get the chance of a shot against Tyson Fury. Oh, and as for the referees. Jesus H [Poor language removed] Christ.