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When he took over Whelan dropped the budget down a large % and the same each subsequent season.

Based on that alone they should have been relegated each year.

I suppose if you look at our wage bill now and then remove the albatrosses around the wage bill (which we will see in summer) mid table would be a fair position.

Did Wigan not finish 11th the season before he got there with Bruce? And then they finished 16th for a few years before making the drop?
 
When he took over Whelan dropped the budget down a large % and the same each subsequent season.

Based on that alone they should have been relegated each year.

I suppose if you look at our wage bill now and then remove the albatrosses around the wage bill (which we will see in summer) mid table would be a fair position.
Are you for real
 
You'd seriously persist with this for 24 more months? Obviously if 'this' improves we'll all be happy, but is that an unconditional 24 months?


Well, I was only joking, but you've forced me into it now.

Yes, I hereby unconditionally back our manager fora period of two years irrespective of results or even relegation.
 

Easily got until summer for me I reckon.
Just remember though.

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"One good domestic top flight season to his name".

Do you mean one out of two with us? Or in his career, because every year with wigan was a success to keep them in the league and when they finally went down he won the cup.

I just find all this "Martinez bashing" literally insane. He needs time to build his squad, it doesnt happen overnight and hes doing a really good job of it so far.

Mate, can you start quoting below selected quotes? Forum etiquette and it's confusing.

I maintain one good domestic top flight season;



 
A successful business doesn't cosset people who don't perform.

He seems to be a very pleasant bloke with strengths in certain areas and clear weaknesses in others. I have no idea (who does?) what targets the board have set him but they (the targets) seem to be very limited in their ambition!

I'd certainly give him till the end of the season and then have a very serious review. Clear progress in terms of league position should be the litmus test of his reign. I don't expect him to win a trophy - we don't do that sort of thing anymore.
 

I think despite the stats that we've been markedly better this season, than last.

The major criticism has to be our defensive frailty, which has gone from being mildly annoying to head bangingly frustrating.

He needs to address the issue and bring in assistance, as well as binning off Taj.

If he does both, then we'll be on the right track, if he lets his ego get in the way or refuses to tackle the weakest link in the side, then we'll continue to come up short.

It really isn't complicated.
 
Back in February, I created this thread: Martinez: The Reality

Context wise, it was created after a late own goal salvaged a draw with Leicester at Goodison. The BBC's match report linked labelled us as draw specialists - with merit, it was our 5th draw on the spin, our 7th draw in 13 home games, winning just 3. It all meant we had just 28 points from 26 games.

My view was although the season was grim, a complete write off - Martinez would change it around.

And so, I suggested that we all would be wise to give Martinez time;



It's December. What's changed?

Unfortunately, I don't have the opportunity I thought I'd have to sit here smugly and say "I told you so..." because, not much has changed. We're still draw specialists, we're still massively frustrating, we're still looking at our team on paper and thinking we're boss but then flattering to deceive.

This team is two years on, two years more mature from the team that finished 5th with out highest ever Premier League points total but it's a fair shout to say that we've not kicked on as we'd hoped, or expected - if anything we've regressed.

The consensus is that this is the best Everton squad for many a years - yet our last 57 games (38 last season+19 so far this season) has seen W18, D19, L20. That's a win rate of just 31%. Managers at lesser clubs have been sacked with a better record, rightly or wrongly, that's the game and so, talk of Martinez' position isn't to be so readily brushed off.

Our football is sexier to last season and notably we're passing with greater intent - Lukaku is benefiting from having some quality in the final third in Deulofeu and a confident Barkley - but, the actual output is comparative to last season. Domestically, we're marginally better vs same point last season - we're 5 points better off, and 1 place higher. It's disappointing. We all know it, only this week have we had senior players like Barry, and key players like Lukaku talking up a disappointing campaign. We've scored 6 more vs last season, and amazingly, conceded 3 less. We're also still in a domestic cup, an improvement on being dumped out the first time of asking last season. An improvement, but an overall performance that is underwhelming and ultimately, not good enough.

Through GrandOldTeam, I'm well positioned to gauge fan sentiment and sentiment towards Martinez, is at least in my opinion, at an all time low. My opinion is reaffirmed by some actual professional sentiment analysis but that's for the end of the season...

Despite the increasing focus on the manager, I'm convinced that clubs like Everton get nowhere chopping and changing managers and whether fans like it or not, Roberto Martinez will remain Everton's manager for many years to come - unless he wants off himself, or there's a change of board to one which genuinely aspires to the clubs motto with greater expectations.

The Everton manager, under Everton's existing regime benefits from, and enjoys having arguably the safest football job in England. Of course, there's benefit to that in stability, but the negative is football purgatory. We just exist as a football club...

Ask yourself this...
  • What would prompt Everton's existing board to sack an Everton manager?
That for me, is the crux of it.

What is the minimum expectation of the Everton manager?

Personally, I'm convinced that as long as our league status is assured, and season tickets keep coming in - an Everton manager who doesn't rock the boat will keep his job.

I'm still on the fence, though growing increasingly concerned that our misplaced loyalty to a manager with just one good domestic top flight season to his name could backfire and we lose an opportunity to achieve something with our best squad in a long time. I'd say if we finish below 8th at the end of the season, I'd say twist and look elsewhere.

Until then, I'm hopeful a couple of positive results could see us really kick on. Everton have failed to win consecutive league games for eight months. When that happens, and we find that consistency, we could really fly...

Keep the faith Blues. Two domestic cups are up for grabs and we're only 9 points from 4th... 5 from 5th.
We're not two years on from the team that finished fifth with our highest Premier League points total. We're a year and half on, and there's still half a season to go.

Which is why we're laughing at all the young lids like you having an utter paddy because Everton won't let you enjoy your weekend.

I ran a highly scientific and fair poll at Christmas and less than 30% wanted him out, so the angry plotters have no mandate to keep bawling their eyes out like upset children at every adverse result.

Everton yourself up you quilt, and just admit you can't stand Latinos.
 
Little improvement all round. Of course I'm loving watching rom like we all are but his form is almost making it unbearably frustrating. No idea how to make a good sub, doesn't understanding goalkeeping or collective defending. I said last christmas I'd judge him by halfway in this season. And in keeping with that the prognosis is not good.

I'm running out of patience.
 

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