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ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
They were the stats that were posted in that article last night... The one that was dismissed, because of the author....therefore the stats may be inaccurate.
I said I would review his job in Novemeber, he passed that test, hes not due for review until the seasons end for me now.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Why? It takes a second to do, much easier than transferring over a quote from another thread.....sniff it.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
I cant on this phone for some reason (as ive already said loads of times) no idea why...cursor pops up above the last comment on this site.
Im not sure why youre quoting tsdoddy whoever that is...its been well publicized that Whelan cut the purse strings and wage bill when Martinez took over season on season. Some are not blaming managers when Lerner at Villa gave tens of millions in loans to their club for transfers and the managees wasted it--yet blame Martinez for actually having serious budget cuts ar Wigan -- doesnt make sense.
Anyway, all these Martinez OUT threads (which is basically all they are) are far too negative for me. For someone who has conducted themselves with absolute class since taking over as manager he's being treated worst than Mike Walker by some.
I'll leave it there and enjoy NYE.
Im not sure why youre quoting tsdoddy whoever that is...its been well publicized that Whelan cut the purse strings and wage bill when Martinez took over season on season. Some are not blaming managers when Lerner at Villa gave tens of millions in loans to their club for transfers and the managees wasted it--yet blame Martinez for actually having serious budget cuts ar Wigan -- doesnt make sense.
Anyway, all these Martinez OUT threads (which is basically all they are) are far too negative for me. For someone who has conducted themselves with absolute class since taking over as manager he's being treated worst than Mike Walker by some.
I'll leave it there and enjoy NYE.
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
He doesnt help himself tho Zat, he comes out after the Stoke game and his only focus is the peno, he should be more honest, admit we are utter pony and promise to fix it, like Gaz Baz did.
ijjysmith
Calm
You have a screenshot of a total random stranger on the internet saying stuff on the Internet on your phone.
Weird. Badly badly weird.
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
Look at the time on his phone and the time he posted mate.
He's plainly taken the screenshot today just before he posted you great daft pillock !
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
I think Martinez is a mega club manager and needs a mega club budget. Now before people get internet mad at me I'm not saying I think he's that good. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. I have no idea.
What I'm saying is his best fit -- the job in which you'll see peak Martinez (whatever that represents) -- is a job in which he can get all the pieces he needs so you can see his vision realized. He doesn't compromise; a trait which can be good but can also be very bad. Maybe he doesn't need City money but I think he needs at least RS or Spurs money.
Martinez wants to build a Ferrari and has no interest in driving a Lexus or a BMW for a few years while he builds the Ferrari on the side. It's all Ferrari all the time.
Moyes is a great example of the inverse: a manager for whom restricted budgets bring out "peak Moyes" and the big club scenario isn't his forte.
Moyes will mod a Honda so much that it looks exactly like a Mercedes ... to the point you don't remember it's a Honda until the race starts and you're like "oh right I remember now we have a Honda and we are going to lose horribly." Moyes would even get billionaires to buy our Hondas because they genuinely thought they were luxury sports cars. It was also his weakness: when he finally got a Lexus or BMW (or eventually actual Ferraris) in his garage Moyes would treat them all like a Civic.
IF we get new owners what kind of spend levels can we expect? That to me would influence the decision on the manager.
Martinez has a very obvious strategy with his public comments which makes judging him on anything but results difficult (and results aren't great of late ... "of late" being the last 18 months).
If I'm the new owners I want to sit down and have a real conversation with Martinez.
I want to hear him say negative stuff about our players! To acknowledge the defence is a shambles and he needs help.
I want to hear him say "I wanted to bring in Andros Pistamooli from Napoli to coach defence but we didn't have the budget" and "I wanted to bring in Greatzi Defendereeno from Roma to solidify our backline and Monty Stopsalot from Fenerbache in nets" so I can be all "well now you can afford them!"
If the conversation I have with him is along those lines then he gets a vote of confidence and stays.
If it's all just the same bollocks from press conferences (or most likely a toned down version but along the same refusing to admit problem area lines) and we don't win the Cup (or recover and finish top 5) then I'd likely look elsewhere.
The ambition of the new owners is a factor too. While I don't see them spending to Chelsea/City/United levels if they have even a RS level budget then it's possible they'd have stars in their eyes about one of the big name managers out there?
The bizarre and achingly ironic truth is that the best possible manager for the current Everton football club is possibly 75% Martinez and 25% Moyes.
No way I'd make a change before the end of the season though. He should get three years.
What I'm saying is his best fit -- the job in which you'll see peak Martinez (whatever that represents) -- is a job in which he can get all the pieces he needs so you can see his vision realized. He doesn't compromise; a trait which can be good but can also be very bad. Maybe he doesn't need City money but I think he needs at least RS or Spurs money.
Martinez wants to build a Ferrari and has no interest in driving a Lexus or a BMW for a few years while he builds the Ferrari on the side. It's all Ferrari all the time.
Moyes is a great example of the inverse: a manager for whom restricted budgets bring out "peak Moyes" and the big club scenario isn't his forte.
Moyes will mod a Honda so much that it looks exactly like a Mercedes ... to the point you don't remember it's a Honda until the race starts and you're like "oh right I remember now we have a Honda and we are going to lose horribly." Moyes would even get billionaires to buy our Hondas because they genuinely thought they were luxury sports cars. It was also his weakness: when he finally got a Lexus or BMW (or eventually actual Ferraris) in his garage Moyes would treat them all like a Civic.
IF we get new owners what kind of spend levels can we expect? That to me would influence the decision on the manager.
Martinez has a very obvious strategy with his public comments which makes judging him on anything but results difficult (and results aren't great of late ... "of late" being the last 18 months).
If I'm the new owners I want to sit down and have a real conversation with Martinez.
I want to hear him say negative stuff about our players! To acknowledge the defence is a shambles and he needs help.
I want to hear him say "I wanted to bring in Andros Pistamooli from Napoli to coach defence but we didn't have the budget" and "I wanted to bring in Greatzi Defendereeno from Roma to solidify our backline and Monty Stopsalot from Fenerbache in nets" so I can be all "well now you can afford them!"
If the conversation I have with him is along those lines then he gets a vote of confidence and stays.
If it's all just the same bollocks from press conferences (or most likely a toned down version but along the same refusing to admit problem area lines) and we don't win the Cup (or recover and finish top 5) then I'd likely look elsewhere.
The ambition of the new owners is a factor too. While I don't see them spending to Chelsea/City/United levels if they have even a RS level budget then it's possible they'd have stars in their eyes about one of the big name managers out there?
The bizarre and achingly ironic truth is that the best possible manager for the current Everton football club is possibly 75% Martinez and 25% Moyes.
No way I'd make a change before the end of the season though. He should get three years.
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Big month I reckon for Bobby, could swing either way imo. A couple of positive results in the league and League cup progression with evidence of the team tightening up and all will be rosy in the garden of Goodison.
Poor results against Spurs,City,Chelsea and Swansea in the league and like it or not we will be right down to about 15th-17th and if that happens he's only got himself to blame because he has the tools at his disposal to sort the issues out.
He probably will be given until the end of the season though if the worst case scenario happened and we had a rotten January then I would want him sacked and someone else brought in to at least salvage some positivity so a new manager could then ask our better performing players to stick around and give him a season.
Let's see how Roberto plays this month but no doubt in mind he will be under pressure from the fans of things don't change results wise.
Poor results against Spurs,City,Chelsea and Swansea in the league and like it or not we will be right down to about 15th-17th and if that happens he's only got himself to blame because he has the tools at his disposal to sort the issues out.
He probably will be given until the end of the season though if the worst case scenario happened and we had a rotten January then I would want him sacked and someone else brought in to at least salvage some positivity so a new manager could then ask our better performing players to stick around and give him a season.
Let's see how Roberto plays this month but no doubt in mind he will be under pressure from the fans of things don't change results wise.
If Ranieri gets Leicester a top-4 finish and Martinez doesn't make a serious challenge or win something, I'll put my hat in the Martinez Owt campaign.
Nothing much has change mate, we're still mid table and I'll be outside your window with a haversack.
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