2021/22 Richarlison

[Ring master]

Its a start if true

 

[Nymzee]

many people are taking it both ways, its the way its worded

The way it's worded is any transfer above £40m activates a 10% sell on value of any of that £40m+ fee.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Its a start if true

Again Bobbler hasn't tweeted this himself.

Does he have a podcast or something I'm unaware of?

 

[Ring master]

The way it's worded is any transfer above £40m activates a 10% sell on value of any of that £40m+ fee.

i take it as the way i said it, but anyway lets hope whatever goes on, it does not last all summer

ie 50mil is 10% of 10million
60mil is 10% of 20mil
70mil is 10% of 30mil

 

[Ring master]

Again Bobbler hasn't tweeted this himself.

Does he have a podcast or something I'm unaware of?

Think so, but i dont listen to it if he does lol


Infact thats just been put up, It must be that ?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Think so, but i dont listen to it if he does lol


Infact thats just been put up, It must be that ?

Ok that makes sense.

Not that I'll be listening to it. But at least these tweets of things he's saying come from somewhere.

 

[kenada_blue]

So did his mirror image T Cleverly and look how that one worked out.

Clevz was no better or worse than Davies is at the moment, in a team that was supposed to kick on from just missing out on a top 4 spot under Bobby Brown shoes.

We have different goals now and one is just to have a functional side.

Would go out on a limb and say a 2015 Tom Clevz waltzes into this side 100%

 

[kenada_blue]

Due to the managers involved, there's seldom any manager who has managed Spurs in the last few years that actually made any non-defensive-midfielder look good. Pochettino lost the plot in the league from around Feb 2019 until he was binned, then Mourinho basically used CMs as extra defenders, then Nuno Santo was even worse, and so far Conte just plays down the wings.

Surely no possible coincidence that in that time frame (Feb 2019 to date) minus the short Ryan Mason caretaker stint, where almost every single non-defensive CM looked awful:
- Winks
- Ndombele
- Lo Celso
- Eriksen
- Dele (minus a bit where Jose first arrived)
- probably some others here

And then the Hojbjerg/Skipp/Sissoko types - all players who are basically body-on-the-line athletes who don't create play - suddenly look good?

Not saying Winks is a Countinho or anything, but feels a bit like blaming sports cars for getting stuck in the mud when the track is made of dirt. He's made over 100 appearances since the start of 2019, and seems to me like he's just not suited to the counter attacking football that's basically been there the whole time, rather than suddenly not being good enough (when 100 appearances around the company of the above players is surely testament to that?).


Unless you want to pay £40-50m for your ex-liverpool or Chelsea "starlets" who haven't even had a purple patch to refer to (although that's probably what Frank is aiming for) then fans have to be a bit less fickle and see the potential in paying less. It's not even like Winks is in the Drinkwater/Barclay/Delph box of "broken bodies", or one of those players who conned his way into being an accessory at United like Cleverly or Januzaj

Agree with that

 

[kenada_blue]

These are all the arguments people were using to justify the signings of Cleverley and Schneiderlin. I couldn't care less where he's from and how you pronounce his name. I care about how much he will cost in transfer fees (Levy will want double figure millions) and wages (Winks will not be taking a pay cut so we're looking at high five figures or low six figures a week and he will want a multi-year contract), I also care about his injury record (poor), his contributions defensively and offensively (neither are particularly impressive, what is his actual contribution on the pitch?) and his age (26 is fine but he's not a prospect any more he needs to deliver immediately).

Overall, the package just isn't attractive. If we lose Richarlison and gain Winks our squad is worse, not better. It's a rubbish deal for us.

As for the fact he has played CL football, so what? Djimi Traore has won the bloody thing and he was terrible.

Not really. Cleverly was a free and part of a squad going into Europe. Schneiderlin was part of a team with aspirations of top 4 taken from a team already in there (and also one of Koeman's ex players).

We need a team and one with consistent players, good on the ball, want to pass, especially in our horrid midfield . The last player we had like that was Barry. It's not about stats and "coverage" or assists it's about function for me in an disfunctional side.

Someone like Winks would be a massive upgrade in our midfield which consists of players who can't pass or can't run. Winks can do both. So for the long term building, in with a deal with Richarlison, would make great sense to me equally with £50mill in the bank for a replacement.

Wouldn't happen though.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Its a start if true

So 60m then, which would probably in reality actually be 40m guaranteed and 20m in hard to achieve add ons.

 

[Duncan Donuts]

Why would Richarlison’s Brazil place be in danger if he moved? Nobody is gonna pay £50m+ for a player and then not play them…

 

[BlueToff]

if we want any more signings than we can afford to then yea, but not for 51 mill mate to a prem club it’s comical

I don't think we will sell for that mate

 

[BlueToff]

The Bullens View have just put a show out today which this will be from mate

Again Bobbler hasn't tweeted this himself.

Does he have a podcast or something I'm unaware of?

 

[BlueToff]

What was the final price, then?

We paid about £34m up front with add ons up to a further £10m. I remember the original reports in 2018 that it was going to be a £50m deal but they were all quickly quelled. Of course, those are what stick in the mind.

And anyway, we won't sell for anything under £60m, I don't think. But I'd say £60m right now is probably about as fair a price as we can expect. Sad but true.

 

[blueblue]

Think it's more that £40m is the trigger point at which a sell on fee kicks in. So sell for £39m there's no sell on fee, but sell for £41m and it's 10% of the whole fee?

I don't think that is correct.
It is more likely to be 10% of the profit.