Riots in the UK...

[davek]

What the IPCC statement actually said:

The IPCC's first statement, issued at 22:49 on 4th August, makes no reference to shots fired at police and our subsequent statements have set out the sequence of events based on the emerging evidence. However, having reviewed the information the IPCC received and gave out during the very early hours of the unfolding incident, before any documentation had been received, it seems possible that we may have verbally led journalists to believe that shots were exchanged as this was consistent with early information we received that an officer had been shot and taken to hospital.

And reported by CH4s Simon Israel - then when the IPCC backtracked it made that reporter look a liar when, in fact, the IPCC were stating one thing and briefing journos another thing entirely.

 

[tsubaki]

From the small bits and Pieces I have read it seems that.

He had a illegal firearm with a bullet in the chamber....
Police shot him, he did not shoot.


So I ask... do you have to wait for someone to shoot at you before you can shoot back as a Policeman? I think not.... So it seems that this is not a legit reason to riot.

Is this just the straw that broke the proverbial camels back and has to do more with other social issues and nothing to do with the Police/Public interaction ?

Its a mix of things - of the distrust of the Police and IPCC to investigate this death impartially (a not unreasonable view with regards to the history of investigations into deaths in police custody / following police contact), of deprivation and the lack of educational opportunities for almost everyone poor (again not unreasonable), of the failure of politics (eminently reasonable, after all they are useless at everything else) and of the failure of society generally / the youth justice system specifically to deal with youth offending, allowing kids to rack up many convictions for serious offences without meaningful intervention.

After all, as shocking as this behaviour is it is only a larger manifestation of what has been going on in some places - Tottenham, Hackney and Brixton to name three - for years, with those communities seeing a lot of senseless youth violence, except now of course they arent just doing it to themselves.

 

[tsubaki]

And reported by CH4s Simon Israel - then when the IPCC backtracked it made that reporter look a liar when, in fact, the IPCC were stating one thing and briefing journos another thing entirely.

No, they clearly state they didnt know what had happened at the time beyond that Duggan and an officer had been shot. It isnt unreasonable for them (and the media) to believe that - in the absence of any other evidence - this meant that shots had been exchanged.

 

[Tubey]

The idiot was carrying an illegal firearm. That's the be all end all of the matter.

Happy he was shot before he himself killed someone, probably another black person that would have instigated a few revenge shooting and gang warfare in London.

The only reason to carry a gun is if you intend to use it. I can't feel any sympathy for this idiot at all and I applaud the Police for shooting him.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

From the small bits and Pieces I have read it seems that.

He had a illegal firearm with a bullet in the chamber....
Police shot him, he did not shoot.


So I ask... do you have to wait for someone to shoot at you before you can shoot back as a Policeman? I think not.... So it seems that this is not a legit reason to riot.

Is this just the straw that broke the proverbial camels back and has to do more with other social issues and nothing to do with the Police/Public interaction ?

Nothing to do with Duggan shooting. Opitunistic thieving.....bang everyone of them up or force them to do 6 months full time community service repairing whatbhas been broken....taxes will rise, insurance premiums will rise.....every ordinary person will pay the price.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Fuming at the way these scrotes think it's alright to carry on like that and folks defending them.


Organises protest march.

 

[Warzycha's Caterpillar]

Personally I'd have rioted if they hadn't shot the worthless tosser (albeit in the comfort of my own bedroom if CID are reading).

 

[Frank Drebin]

Personally I'd have rioted if they hadn't shot the worthless tosser (albeit in the comfort of my own bedroom if CID are reading).

I find rioting in ones own bedroom preferable myself. Providing you can handle the sense of social outrage when you cant find your slippers in the morning.

 

[Matt Damon]

Find the quote Dave.

I bet you can't.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14510329


"The police watchdog has admitted it may have misled journalists into believing police shooting victim Mark Duggan fired at officers before he was killed."

*Cough*

You still couldn't find the quote. Because it may of "inadvertently" been said verbally.

"Analysis of media coverage and queries raised on Twitter have alerted us to the possibility that we may have inadvertently given misleading information to journalists when responding to very early media queries following the shooting of Mark Duggan by Metropolitan Police Service officers on the evening of 4 August."


Still waiting on the quotes Dave K.

"Any reference to an exchange of shots was not correct and did not feature in any of our formal statements, although an officer was taken to hospital after the incident."


Very quick to jump on something aren't you Dave. If it suits your agenda.

SELECTIVE QUOTING EXTRAORDINAIRE IS DAVE K.

 

[davek]

The idiot was carrying an illegal firearm. That's the be all end all of the matter.

Happy he was shot before he himself killed someone, probably another black person that would have instigated a few revenge shooting and gang warfare in London.

The only reason to carry a gun is if you intend to use it. I can't feel any sympathy for this idiot at all and I applaud the Police for shooting him.

You'd have enjoyed living in a muredeous Latin American country with state sponsored death squads?

Strange.

 

[Del]

If he hadent of been carrying a gun he would not have been shot how hard is that to understand

Play with fire you get burned

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Maybe if all the scrotes had booked up the restaurants of the country, and proceeded to smash them up, it may have got the approval of Boris and Cameron ?

 

[Matt Damon]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/first-riot-related-eviction-notice-served.html

A council tenant whose son has appeared in court in connection with the London riots is the first in the country to have been given an eviction notice, Wandsworth Council has said.

From today, the pair who remain unnamed for legal reasons face the prospect of losing their council-owned home after the son was connected to the violence in Clapham Junction on Monday night.

Councillor Ravi Govindia, said the authority's housing department was working swiftly to assess whether to take action on tenants undergoing magistrates courts hearings.

“In Wandsworth we are determined to take the strongest possible action against any tenant or member of their household responsible for the truly shocking behaviour perpetrated on local homes and businesses earlier this week.

“This council will do its utmost to ensure that those who are responsible pay a proper price for their conduct. Ultimately this could lead to eviction from their homes.

“Our officers will continue to work with the courts to establish the identities of other council tenants or members of their households as more cases are processed in the coming days and weeks.”

The eviction notice is the first stage in the legal process giving warning that the council will be seeking possession of the property and that an application will be made to the courts seeking the tenant's eviction.

The decision of whether to evict then rests with a judge sitting at the county court.

 

[Pat's Van]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/first-riot-related-eviction-notice-served.html

So if this kind of response eventually leads to more of the same kind of problems that we've seen over the earlier part of this week, then is it the right thing to do ???

 

[mezzrow]

I have been telling myself to let it go, but my bile has risen, and I can hold it no more. Here's how your current common legal practice gets explained to us over here - note the last line.

For some time now – and this was already true, alas, in the Thatcher years – the political class (Labour, Tory, and Liberal) has been united behind the principle that these matters must be left to the police – that, if one’s life or limbs are in danger, one can of course use force to defend one’s person but that one cannot rightfully lift a finger to defend one’s property and that, if the attack extends to one’s person, the force that one deploys in its defense must be strictly proportionate to the threat. If, for example, your home was burglarized over and over again and you secured a gun, a knife, or a baseball bat and killed or harmed an intruder, you would go to prison for a long stay.

I am not making this up.

I just don't get it, the way you play around with this scum and keep cutting them checks, and keep sending them back to their council flat with a pat on the head and a warning not to do it again, and I guess I never will. Lots of you folks are sound as can be on so many things, but the way you have disarmed and surrendered to these mugs is completely baffling. The way your state has abandoned you to their tender predilections is criminal. If that makes me the new sidekick of the next Somoza, then vaya don dios, Dave. I love you guys, but "you can't be serious" (channels another American of my generation)

That's scum - racaille, for our french listeners. (shakes head and goes to dinner)